This community has allowed guys like HAO001 to thrive here and to develop a culture around their abusive language and behavior.
He has over 50,000 messages here, a clear sign of internet addiction, and most of those have been just repeating the same thing over and over (spam).
With guys like him around, we can't talk about subjects like this freely because he's online 24/7 and ready to harass anybody who thinks differently than he does.
Eventually, moderators will do something about that and if they don't it just shows the low level of discussions this forum represents.
It's not just top tiers. It has to be a top tier who focuses mainly on coa.
Think about how many people in the verse use coo. But there's exactly 4 people who have fs.
Same with coa and ID.
Kokuto is supposed to be even rarer than that. It makes perfect sense why there's only 2 so far.
You tryna argue that since a lot of fodder have coa, there should be more kokuto is retarded as fuck and shows you yourself is devaluing black blades for the sake of a retarded agenda.
It's not just top tiers. It has to be a top tier who focuses mainly on coa.
Think about how many people in the verse use coo. But there's exactly 4 people who have fs.
Same with coa and ID.
Kokuto is supposed to be even rarer than that. It makes perfect sense why there's only 2 so far.
You tryna argue that since a lot of fodder have coa, there should be more kokuto is retarded as fuck and shows you yourself is devaluing black blades for the sake of a retarded agenda.
There isnt 4 who have fs
Theres just 4 confirmed SO FAR
There are plenty in story ALREADY who can use acoa AND HAVE BEEN USING IT FOR DECADES
And still only 2 in history.
Can I have your thoughts on the Black Blade process? I feel you have a lot to add here.
I do feel that the making of a Black Blade is exclusively a CoA Specialist characteristic, but I add that extra bit where they access what you would refer to as a minimal level of Conqueror Haki to develop it.
It's special to get a Black Blade in this way, but it is a unique development that only occurs with CoA Mastery combined with Conqueror Haki control. If this involves Haki Mass, then it means the control of that mass or something.
I got a lot to say, but i will save this for a video that will never come..
However since you directly asked me, it doesn't seem fair to say nothing, so i will give you a hint of what i believe to be a relevant line from Sanji and Zoro..
Your point about the sword breaking because a Conqueror Specialist uses their full power isn't important from my view. You're just saying "if they don't use their full power then it won't break." The point is they can't use their full power with a weaker sword or it will break, so you're not changing anything.
Haki Mass as Conqueror Coating is another element of the discussion to be explored, but I'm unsure if it does the same thing as Armament. I understand Armament Haki includes weapons and equipment, and the invisible armor counts as a form of equipment, but where Armament stops and Conqueror begins is speculative.
" isn't important from my view. " - What you said was incorrect, I simply corrected you. And yes I am changing something, because now you're changing your argumentation as a result of my correction. You did not initially say what you're saying now. They are two different things.
Lower graded blades are not off the table completely, especially if they are forged into a black blade. Furthermore it's retarded to expect monsters of that calibre to continually spam their most power haki in their attacks, that would be like what roger and garp did against xebec, they knew it was insanely risky.
Just because something can or cant withstand the full power of someones haki, doesn't mean it's the only way it has to be used.
"where Armament stops and Conqueror begins is speculative" - This is a nothing statement. There is no need to speculate unless there is a good reason to do so. We know for a fact what armament is, and we know for a fact how you can use conquerors as armament.
Conqueror users possess conquerors haki, and that can be used as an additional layer of armament. It itself can be manipulated through the concept of ryuou, which once the user figures this out, they can manipulate their CoC with the same applications of advanced armament as when they were not using conquerors.
Therefore it's not even a matter of where X stops and where Y begins, X is a techniqueand manipulation of Y, to achieve the desired affect of X, with the added/additional value of Y incorporated into that affect.
Trying to create a fine line of distinguishment no one asked for is just another pass time.
" isn't important from my view. " - What you said was incorrect, I simply corrected you. And yes I am changing something, because now you're changing your argumentation as a result of my correction. You did not initially say what you're saying now. They are two different things.
Lower graded blades are not off the table completely, especially if they are forged into a black blade. Furthermore it's retarded to expect monsters of that calibre to continually spam their most power haki in their attacks, that would be like what roger and garp did against xebec, they knew it was insanely risky.
Just because something can or cant withstand the full power of someones haki, doesn't mean it's the only way it has to be used.
"where Armament stops and Conqueror begins is speculative" - This is a nothing statement. There is no need to speculate unless there is a good reason to do so. We know for a fact what armament is, and we know for a fact how you can use conquerors as armament.
Conqueror users possess conquerors haki, and that can be used as an additional layer of armament. It itself can be manipulated through the concept of ryuou, which once the user figures this out, they can manipulate their CoC with the same applications of advanced armament as when they were not using conquerors.
Therefore it's not even a matter of where X stops and where Y begins, X is a techniqueand manipulation of Y, to achieve the desired affect of X, with the added/additional value of Y incorporated into that affect.
Trying to create a fine line of distinguishment no one asked for is just another pass time.
I think you make a good argument, but I think you'd appreciate discussing that with someone else more.
I do understand what you're saying, though. You're saying Conqueror Coating is another layer on top of the AdCoA. I don't think we disagree on that element of the discussion.
What I disagree on is the idea that Color of Arms users are more capable in the Color of the Supreme King.
As far as weak weapons being wielded by strong guys, yes, they can use them. I wasn't arguing that they can't use them, I was just arguing that they're not suitable weapons. I think we can avoid that discussion because it only involves minor discrepancies.
Most arguments occur because of minor misunderstandings, we shouldn't turn this into one of those. Thank you for correcting me, I used the wrong words to say what I wanted.
I think you make a good argument, but I think you'd appreciate discussing that with someone else more.
I do understand what you're saying, though. You're saying Conqueror Coating is another layer on top of the AdCoA. I don't think we disagree on that element of the discussion.
What I disagree on is the idea that Color of Arms users are more capable in the Color of the Supreme King.
As far as weak weapons being wielded by strong guys, yes, they can use them. I wasn't arguing that they can't use them, I was just arguing that they're not suitable weapons. I think we can avoid that discussion because it only involves minor discrepancies.
Most arguments occur because of minor misunderstandings, we shouldn't turn this into one of those. Thank you for correcting me, I used the wrong words to say what I wanted.
"Color of Arms users are more capable in the Color of the Supreme King." I could tell that's what you were getting at if I understand correctly. You're talking about someone who is a CoC specialist, as opposed to an Armament specialist. Like that sbs states about Zoro and Luffy/sanji.
From what we're finding out, like with the CoC barrier, there could be other manipulations of CoC that a CoC specialist could excel in over an armament specialist. Now it makes more sense why you were trying to create such a distinction.
You're asking: Is the CoC armament luffy was using in g5, that Kaido commented on as a shield essentially, the same as this CoC barrier that both Xebec and Harald have used as a defence against other CoC users. That's where you want to know where Armament ends. Or Shanks wifi haki for example.
I think that from what we know right now, the xebec and harald stuff is simply the use of ryuou, like is needed for armament, to create a shield around the users body (with CoC), what Xebec did when he knocked both Garp and Roger back, might be him expelling his conquerors in a burst, when he swung his sword and split the sky for example. But instead of just flexing haki like usual CoC to K.O someone, it can be more like extending that barrier and pushing away with it.
But obviously these distinctions can be made more clear later on, either way it's going to depend on the user, an armament specialist can be greater than a coc specialist at CoC overall, or vice verca. Maybe for example shanks excels in creating this kind of barrier > Mihawk, whereas Mihawk excels in armament haki that aids him in cutting through that barrier.
And with that barrier even if you were going to get hit/cut 100%, it could lessen the damage/force/strength of the attack, because of the resistance before it hits, and potentially making the attacker use more haki to get to the defenders body and having less haki in the actual attack.
But if that is simply just advanced armament like hyogoro described, it can just mean there is a type of armament that with CoC, a CoC specialist can excel in over other CoC users/armament specialist in the weapon sense.
It more comes down to the utilisation of haki that anything else, that's why scopper is making a big deal of how luffy and zoro utilise their CoC consciously.
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I don't think you should need CoC to create a black blade, from the perspective of narrative. But I do think the end result is going to vary depending on the user, because not all black blades are going to be created equal. Someone could do it with their conquerors haki for example, which literally scales with their base strength, which might then lead to the blade being even more durable than another black blade.
That may be how Zoro breaks Mihawk's Yoru if that does indeed happen, maybe Zoro forges Wado into a stronger black blade, and the force of both Mihawk's and Zoro's haki clash has so much pressure, that Yoru can't withstand it whereas Wado does.
Considering that Zoro already has it, I guess it is necessary, in some way.
However, CoC is a fixed buff so you cannot achieve growth with it.
And Black Blades are a growth so it may not be CoC related unless it's a combination of all 3 hakis.
None of them are above WSS. You are ignoring the timeline.
Those titles are relics of the past.
Or they dont refer to individual strength.
Final Saga is all that matters, Oda's own words and as you can see, only WSS exists.
Oda never said WSM man means you beat every man in a 1v1. WSM has never been stated to be above WSS.
If this was the case, Oda would have never stated in an sbs that Shanks and Mihawk would bear their weighty ideals against WB in a fight, if it was literally the case that WSM beats every man oda has never been that direct.
Even years later One Piece fans still lack the capability to interpret the narrative, and this is why Oda talks about reading comprehension. The problem is the fanbase taking a title, and adding their own spin on what it means, when Oda never said that shit.
You can be the strongest man, but still lost to a "weaker man" that excels in something better than you that is combat related. Like Shanks with CoC, or Mihawk with utilisation of ryuou in Swordsmanship.
None of them are above WSS. You are ignoring the timeline.
Those titles are relics of the past.
Or they dont refer to individual strength.
Final Saga is all that matters, Oda's own words and as you can see, only WSS exists.
Mohawk said PK was above his title. Goofy said wss would be PK underling. And mohawk considered old wb above him as per his comments in mf.
The portrayal is crystal clear. No need to "consider timeline" or whatever bullshit yall wanna use to cope because oda sure as hell wasn't doing that shit.
Mohawk said PK was above his title. Goofy said wss would be PK underling. And mohawk considered old wb above him as per his comments in mf.
The portrayal is crystal clear. No need to "consider timeline" or whatever bullshit yall wanna use to cope because oda sure as hell wasn't doing that shit.
There absolutely is need for timelines because both WSC and WSM were obtained long before Mihawk's prime and both have been proven wrong/rumor during Mihawk's prime.
We all know PK is not a title about individual's strength, interesting that you still grab onto this straw. Mihawk never considered WB above himself. I personally debunked this copium.
Final Saga is the core of the story, where the strongest of the strongest is and the only World's Strongest is Mihawk, and then Zoro.
Strength has always been revolving around those two, yall just convinced yourselves in delusions.
But i'd reckon a black blade requires mainly the haki that has shown to temporarily blacken stuff. ie armament
And this also makes sense in verse. All the top tiers just put all their stats into acoc because that's straight up better than acoa. That's why people like Xebec, dodger, wb, shank etc don't have black blades.
And there's also the fact that oda said zoro's main haki specialty is coa.
all in all, while we don't know much about the kokuto process, all the hints and tidbits we've gotten so far point to it being a coa mastery.
If we're questioning the authenticity of a WS title, how the fuck is that in any way good for mohawk? Cause that just opens the can of worms that WSS is fake as fuck. Which actually has a ton of evidence behind it. Like the fact that mohawk's best fight was against a 1bill shank and mohawk never beat him, or that mohawk has not fought fuji or gb two admirals who use swords, or the fact that he got stalled by Vista who once again, mohawk never fought or defeated.
How the fuck did this bum get the WSS title when he has not fought and beaten ANY notable swordsmen at all?
If this was the case, Oda would have never stated in an sbs that Shanks and Mihawk would bear their weighty ideals against WB in a fight, if it was literally the case that WSM beats every man oda has never been that direct.
You can be the strongest man, but still lost to a "weaker man" that excels in something better than you that is combat related. Like Shanks with CoC, or Mihawk with utilisation of ryuou in Swordsmanship.
There absolutely is need for timelines because both WSC and WSM were obtained long before Mihawk's prime and both have been proven wrong/rumor during Mihawk's prime.
Mohawk did not know this. He considered PK to be the superior title to wss.
And the fact that goofy says PK would have wss under him. We know for a fact that goofy considers PK to be strength related.
so yes. We know that pk is also a strength related title.
Final Saga is the core of the story, where the strongest of the strongest is and the only World's Strongest is Mihawk, and then Zoro.
Strength has always been revolving around those two, yall just convinced yourselves in delusions.
mohawk will be defeated before the final fight against imu.
you are delusion personified nik-san. Nothing i say will change that, i know. But there is one thing that will. That is the story proving you wrong. It did so in spectacular faction when zkk was crumbled down. And it will do so again when we see mohawk is not the end all be all that you guys are propping him up to be.
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and whatever black blades have yet to show 
