Controversial General Political Discussion

[Roo]

Are you for real here? I can't respect you if you do not make the same effort...

What I gave you is not an interpretation, it's a translation of the work of Marx and Engels: The manifesto of the communist party. Can you stop the bad faith here?

Brother I linked you his manuscripts that directly relate to his thoughts on private property. You’re the one being bad faith here. Even the most avid communist would easily accept Marx hated the concept of private property, capital producing or not as a whole

 

[Midnight Delight]

@Roo the Gnostics were right

 

[Roo]

@Roo the Gnostics were right

Spoken like a follower of Isa

 

[Logiko]

Brother I linked you his manuscripts that directly relate to his thoughts on private property. You’re the one being bad faith here. Even the most avid communist would easily accept Marx hated the concept of private property, capital producing or not as a whole

Yes, a manuscript. Something that he clarified in the communist manifesto.

We are not talking about what Marx wants, we are talking about the model of society that he proposed. And in this model, you don't have to fear about losing the ownership of your favorite stuff. You will simply not be able to have power over workers and own the means of the production.

 

[Midnight Delight]

Spoken like a follower of Isa

Isa and his Reincarnations will fall

 

[Roo]

Yes, a manuscript. Something that he clarified in the communist manifesto.

We are not talking about what Marx wants,

please look up the comment you quoted. I quite literally stated “what Marx wanted” and you replied to it.

 

[Apollo]

Isa and his Reincarnations will fall

Reincarnation isn't real.

 

[Roo]

Reincarnation isn't real.

Joshua disagrees

 

[Midnight Delight]

Reincarnation isn't real.

Then why did Muhammad believe in it?

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

Well.. of course people shouldn't be able to own all the watches lol

The question is who decides what one's needs are?

 

[Apollo]

Joshua disagrees

I am not an expert on the kabbalah so I can't properly reply to this

Then why did Muhammad believe in it?

I don't believe he did. He preached the opposite of reincarnation.

 

[Roo]

I am not an expert on the kabbalah so I can't properly reply to this


I don't believe he did. He preached the opposite of reincarnation.

Who cares about mysticism anyways

 

[Logiko]

please look up the comment you quoted. I quite literally stated “what Marx wanted” and you replied to it.

Yes, but the overall discussion here is about the system. What Marx wanted is irrelevant here, it's the proposition that matters.

The question is who decides what one's needs are?

Everyone. Just like anything in a decentralized and stateless society.

 

[Apollo]

Who cares about mysticism anyways

If conspiracy theories are to be believed, then we are ruled by mystics. Learning it might get you into the elites.

 

[Midnight Delight]

I don't believe he did. He preached the opposite of reincarnation.

There's a Hadith about Him meeting Isa's Reincarnation

 

[Apollo]

There's a Hadith about Him meeting Isa's Reincarnation

There is a hadith of him meeting other prophets during the night journey. Those were there souls not reincarnations.

 

[NikaInParis]

There is a hadith of him meeting other prophets during the night journey. Those were there souls not reincarnations.

And the Isa a.s. he met is the actual Isa in body and soul since he was brought up from the Earth to be sent back at the End of Times.

 

[Roo]

If conspiracy theories are to be believed, then we are ruled by mystics. Learning it might get you into the elites.

The mystics can’t even be accepted into their own religions

 

[Midnight Delight]

There is a hadith of him meeting other prophets during the night journey. Those were there souls not reincarnations.

I am talking about Salman meeting him
في كتاب السيرة النبوية، يروي ابن إسحاق أن سلمان (ع) التقى بأحد الرهبان الذي أعطاه أوصاف النبي محمد. وقال له النبي محمد إن هذا الراهب هو نفسه عيسى بن مريم. أجاب رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم سلمان: “لو كنت صدقتني يا سلمان، لقد لقيت عيسى بن مريم.”

 

[Apollo]

I am talking about Salman meeting him
في كتاب السيرة النبوية، يروي ابن إسحاق أن سلمان (ع) التقى بأحد الرهبان الذي أعطاه أوصاف النبي محمد. وقال له النبي محمد إن هذا الراهب هو نفسه عيسى بن مريم. أجاب رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم سلمان: “لو كنت صدقتني يا سلمان، لقد لقيت عيسى بن مريم.”

Just did a quick search and this came up:
وفيه أن الذي أخبر سلمان بصفة النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم وبشره به هو عيسى ابن مريم عليه السلام .
ولكن هذا الحديث منكر ، وإسناده ضعيف لجهالة راويه عن عمر بن عبد العزيز ، وجهالة من رواه عنه عمر .

سلمان (ع)

This gave me pause, since most Muslims don't use that with Salman.

Also, Ibn Ishaq was more of collector of oral tradition regardless of what is true or not, not everything he wrote down is taken as authentic.