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[Raiden7]

I don't think any Straw Hat is getting DRed as that's a bit too much of a hassle when they already need to fight the HKs, the dream monsters, DRed Giants, and Imunko

I have the opposite opinion. I feel like the real enemies now are still too few. Taking out of the equation the nameless giants and the dream monsters we have

Imu/Gunko
Sommers
Killingham
Majin Dori
Majin Brogi

I feel like having some Straw hat domi reversed can shake up things a bit, at least temporarily of course.

 

[Jackteo]

I feel like having some Straw hat domi reversed can shake up things a bit, at least temporarily of course.

I agree, at least Loki and Sanji will be DRed imo.


I think the most likely scenario would be something like this:

1) Luffy and Loki vs Imu -> Loki is Domi Reversed -> Luffy vs DR Loki, Brook deals with Gunko (second Brook flashback) -> Luffy wins, Gunko is freed/dies

2) Sanji and Zoro vs DR Dorry and DR Brogi -> Sanji is Domi Reversed -> Zoro vs Evil Sanji, Usopp and the new giant pirates deal with Dorry and Brogy-> Sanji unlocks CoC, Usopp forces Dorry and Brogy out of the DR

3) In the meantime, the remaining strawhats slow down Sommers and Killingham and save the kids -> CoCful Sanji and Zoro oneshot Sommers and Kilingham in a AWESOME double page

Then Gaban is revealed to be the man with the burn scar. The strawhats discover the location of the 4th RPG. Elbaf ends

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

Sanji is Domi Reversed -> Zoro vs Evil Sanji,

Bro just couldn't help himself

 

[Jackteo]

Bro just couldn't help himself

It is happening

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

It is happening

I admire your tenacity

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

It is happening

Goda foreshadowing

 

[JJtheman]

Btw think Nik created a thread about Imu’s statement about Demons being the peak of all existence in reference to Zoro but I think an even stronger argument can be made for Sanji given there are hints of him eventually transforming into one. Do y’all think there will be any reference to it when he comes in contact with Imu? 🤔 and could we potentially see a demon transformation for Sanji on Elbaf or is it too soon?

Sanji is literally devil foot, he can definitely tap into that type of power
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I don't think any Straw Hat is getting DRed as that's a bit too much of a hassle when they already need to fight the HKs, the dream monsters, DRed Giants, and Imunko

That would make Imu stupid as hell. Turn Joyboys allies against him and force him to put them down or make him hesitate. Its a no brainer.
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I agree, at least Loki and Sanji will be DRed imo.


I think the most likely scenario would be something like this:

1) Luffy and Loki vs Imu -> Loki is Domi Reversed -> Luffy vs DR Loki, Brook deals with Gunko (second Brook flashback) -> Luffy wins, Gunko is freed/dies

2) Sanji and Zoro vs DR Dorry and DR Brogi -> Sanji is Domi Reversed -> Zoro vs Evil Sanji, Usopp and the new giant pirates deal with Dorry and Brogy-> Sanji unlocks CoC, Usopp forces Dorry and Brogy out of the DR

3) In the meantime, the remaining strawhats slow down Sommers and Killingham and save the kids -> CoCful Sanji and Zoro oneshot Sommers and Kilingham in a AWESOME double page

Then Gaban is revealed to be the man with the burn scar. The strawhats discover the location of the 4th RPG. Elbaf ends

And then we have Luffys rematch with Big Mom in Elbaf

 

[Welkin]

I’m open to being wrong but I’d rather not go through the whole Zoro vs Sanji song and dance

I know Sanji fans salivate at the thought of it for some reason but it just doesn’t appeal to me

I have the opposite opinion. I feel like the real enemies now are still too few. Taking out of the equation the nameless giants and the dream monsters we have

Imu/Gunko
Sommers
Killingham
Majin Dori
Majin Brogi

I feel like having some Straw hat domi reversed can shake up things a bit, at least temporarily of course.

It’s only too few if you think everything’s going to be handled 1 on 1

Luffy, Loki, and Brook will be responsible for tackling Imunko

Sanji vs Sommers
Zoro vs Killingham
Assuming Hajrudin fights Majin Dorry or Brogy (yes, Hajrudin is a major player)
That still leaves one of the 2 completely open to fight other Strawhats/allies

Then to top it all off we have Imu boosted Giants running around (not your average fodder) + the MMA’s + we have to deal with the library being set on fire + someone has to go save the children

There are already a ton of things that need to be handled and a Strawhat getting Domi Reversi’d just adds another layer to it

If Sanji gets turned and Zoro has to fight him what’s stopping Sommers/Killingham/Dorry/Brogy from steamrolling everyone?

Nothing

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

Sanji is literally devil foot, he can definitely tap into that type of power
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That would make Imu stupid as hell. Turn Joyboys allies against him and force him to put them down or make him hesitate. Its a no brainer.
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And then we have Luffys rematch with Big Mom in Elbaf

I mean it's too much for the SHs and their allies to deal with.

 

[Royal Kick]

I agree, at least Loki and Sanji will be DRed imo.


I think the most likely scenario would be something like this:

1) Luffy and Loki vs Imu -> Loki is Domi Reversed -> Luffy vs DR Loki, Brook deals with Gunko (second Brook flashback) -> Luffy wins, Gunko is freed/dies

2) Sanji and Zoro vs DR Dorry and DR Brogi -> Sanji is Domi Reversed -> Zoro vs Evil Sanji, Usopp and the new giant pirates deal with Dorry and Brogy-> Sanji unlocks CoC, Usopp forces Dorry and Brogy out of the DR

3) In the meantime, the remaining strawhats slow down Sommers and Killingham and save the kids -> CoCful Sanji and Zoro oneshot Sommers and Kilingham in a AWESOME double page

Then Gaban is revealed to be the man with the burn scar. The strawhats discover the location of the 4th RPG. Elbaf ends

Didn't Oda recently confirm this was a different character?

Bro just couldn't help himself

It's kinda a loaded gun waiting to be fired. It's not a Chekhov's Gun in the strict sense of the term, but that promise will feel pointless if it never comes into play one way or another. Sanji had already made his choice by destroying the RS and he later found out Queen was the one who hit Some, so why did Oda bother adding that request?

Not saying he couldn't have done it without a clear narrative purpose in mind because Lolda, but it makes sense to suspect there'll be more to it.

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

Didn't Oda recently confirm this was a different character?


It's kinda a loaded gun waiting to be fired. It's not a Chekhov's Gun in the strict sense of the term, but that promise will feel pointless if it never comes into play one way or another. Sanji had already made his choice by destroying the RS and he later found out Queen was the one who hit Some, so why did Oda bother adding that request?

Not saying he couldn't have done it without a clear narrative purpose in mind because Lolda, but it makes sense to suspect there'll be more to it.

It's just a failsafe in case Sanji really did fail to control himself. I don't think Oda really intended for people to take it seriously and expect him to write a whole fight between Sanji and Zoro eventually.

 

[Welkin]

It's kinda a loaded gun waiting to be fired. It's not a Chekhov's Gun in the strict sense of the term, but that promise will feel pointless if it never comes into play one way or another. Sanji had already made his choice by destroying the RS and he later found out Queen was the one who hit Some, so why did Oda bother adding that request?

Not saying he couldn't have done it without a clear narrative purpose in mind because Lolda, but it makes sense to suspect there'll be more to it.

Maybe I misinterpreted something along the way… but can someone explain why everything has to have a deeper meaning?

Like why is it a “Lolda” moment if Zoro vs Sanji never happens? If his intention was simply writing that out to showcase the trust Zoro and Sanji have in each other and nothing beyond that why is it considered an L?

Must every single line and moment in a series have a hidden meaning? Does it all have to serve as foreshadowing?

I’m just not seeing the logic here especially since this seems to be a fairly common sentiment among the Sanji fanbase

 

[Rumble]

I've never bought into the Evil Sanji vs Zoro theory. I think that door was opened and closed in Wano.

Elbaph has returned Thriller Bark to relevance.

Thriller Bark was one of Sanji's best arcs for many reasons, including his shadow outperforming its host while protecting Nami.

I think Sanji will defeat Sommers first, but it's possible he gets DR'd and rebels against because of PoL.

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

I've never bought into the Evil Sanji vs Zoro theory. I think that door was opened and closed in Wano.

Elbaph has returned Thriller Bark to relevance.

Thriller Bark was one of Sanji's best arcs for many reasons, including his shadow outperforming its host while protecting Nami.

I think Sanji will defeat Sommers first, but it's possible he gets DR'd and rebels against because of PoL.

Evil Sanji is like zkk

 

[Raiden7]

Evil Sanji is like zkk

Nah, this is too much. ZKK was a schizo theory to the fullest. You can't compare with the possibility of Evil Sanji, come on! This thing still can happen, like it can't of course. But the possibility is there.

 

[Juanpiz]

Evil Sanji is like zkk

Just more stupid

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

Nah, this is too much. ZKK was a schizo theory to the fullest. You can't compare with the possibility of Evil Sanji, come on! This thing still can happen, like it can't of course. But the possibility is there.

 

[Royal Kick]

It's just a failsafe in case Sanji really did fail to control himself. I don't think Oda really intended for people to take it seriously and expect him to write a whole fight between Sanji and Zoro eventually.

But what's the purpose of this "failsafe" in the story, at the end of the day? It's gotta have a narrative purpose or it's there for no reason, take out that intereaction and it changes nothing to what transpired in Wano. And if it wasn't meant to be taken seriously, why making the scene feel intense and dramatic? It wasn't just a throaway line in a light-hearted moment, it was a defining and important moment for Sanji's character.

Again, I'm not saying we'll necessarily have a pay-off, but if nothing comes out of it, that's bad writing.

Maybe I misinterpreted something along the way… but can someone explain why everything has to have a deeper meaning?

Like why is it a “Lolda” moment if Zoro vs Sanji never happens? If his intention was simply writing that out to showcase the trust Zoro and Sanji have in each other and nothing beyond that why is it considered an L?

Must every single line and moment in a series have a hidden meaning? Does it all have to serve as foreshadowing?

I’m just not seeing the logic here especially since this seems to be a fairly common sentiment among the Sanji fanbase

Showcasing their mutual trust is one more reason it has to lead somewhere, otherwise it just feels shallow and artificial. That's the classic "show, don't tell" rule. When a character goes through such a dramatic crisis and asks a friend they trust to stop them if they lose themselves, it has to mean it'll come into play later.

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

Nah, this is too much. ZKK was a schizo theory to the fullest. You can't compare with the possibility of Evil Sanji, come on! This thing still can happen, like it can't of course. But the possibility is there.

He's got a point though
Both theories exist because hardcore fanatics of the characters see one off throw away lines and get obsessed with those lines to the point where they make tons of theories about it happening and even when it's clear it'll never happen they still keep making these theories and trying to move the goalposts to fit their agendas.
Just like Zoro fans still coped about ZKK after Wano ended, Sanji fans still coped about evil Sanji vs Zoro happening after Wano ended too.

I'll just say it, I don't mean to be aggressive here or shoot anyone down for simply being hopeful, but I do not think Oda will ever have them fight each other in that way. There's a reason he kept it ambiguous as to who caught the bigger beast in Little Garden, he probably doesn't want the characters themselves to know the true pecking order between the two.

 

[Rumble]

Evil Sanji is like zkk

I wouldn't go that far, but it is similarly by and large rooted in wishful thinking.

Sanji came to terms with the Germa awakening.

I'm very curious to learn what Gaban said to him.

It's odd Zoro and Sanji went ahead of Luffy given the latter doesn't have CoC yet and the former doesn't have control of it yet.

Others have pointed it out, but it is nevertheless interesting Sanji thought he had it.