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What will be Loki next power ?


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Elder Lee Hung

Conqueror of the Stars
Gaban knew the truth the whole time so why would you assume he's lying about Shanks stopping Loki?
What truth did he know? Gaban seemingly told no one that Loki didn’t kill the Castle Guards and that Harald was the real murderer. Gaban is not a credible source of information and never was.

Especially since this is likely the event which made Shanks a Yonko and Shanks is clearly not a fraudulent Yonko...
The event that made Luffy a Yonko was a lie dude. Lol

Luffy never beat Kaido individually, the WG had him named a Yonko to fill the power vacuum. Oda literally had the event that made the main character a Yonko fraudulent. Lol

Maybe you're the fraud
I predicted Shamrock having the Cerberus fruit in 2023. You can’t even predict what’s going to happen next chapter lmfao.
 
What truth did he know? Gaban seemingly told no one that Loki didn’t kill the Castle Guards and that Harald was the real murderer. Gaban is not a credible source of information and never was.



The event that made Luffy a Yonko was a lie dude. Lol

Luffy never beat Kaido individually, the WG had him named a Yonko to fill the power vacuum. Oda literally had the event that made the main character a Yonko fraudulent. Lol



I predicted Shamrock having the Cerberus fruit in 2023. You can’t even predict what’s going to happen next chapter lmfao.
This is so funny to me, Lee has some of the worst takes on the forum usually but when it comes to Loki he gets possessed and starts spitting the most amazing shit ever
 
Everything points to him being.
I feel like the only reason people have a problem to scale Loki that high is because it basically comes out of nowhere.
If it was an established character like Mihawk or Dragon/Akainu,barely anyone would've batted an eye.
Everything like getting jumped by both figarland boys. Even Zoro got a lick
 
You are conflating what I said Gaban didn’t care about. I said he didn’t want to get beat up by Luffy and Zoro lol. If Gaban wouldn’t have given them the key, they’d have taken it from them.

Also Road was leading them to the location of the key, they would have found it sooner or later. None of what you’re saying makes any sense at all. Lol
Then they would just take it .
There would be no need for Gaban to warn them about loki and then test them and then give up.
There no where in chapter where Gaban think Loki is someone luffy can't deal with.
He remember how reckless roger was as a pirate and though that was fun .
 

Elder Lee Hung

Conqueror of the Stars
Then they would just take it .
There would be no need for Gaban to warn them about loki and then test them and then give up.
There no where in chapter where Gaban think Loki is someone luffy can't deal with.
He remember how reckless roger was as a pirate and though that was fun .
You literally disregarded everything I said about Gaban to hyper fixate on one point lmfao.

Gaban knew Luffy defeated Kaido but wasn’t sure if he could stop Loki.

Gaban knew the Holy Knights were on Elbaph and knew some shit was about to go down.

If Gaban didn’t give up the key, Luffy and Zoro would have taken it from him. I’m not repeating myself anymore lol.
 
I addressed them in the post..
Oh, you're right. My bad about that.

However, I don't really agree with the distinction you're making here....
The purpose of Sabo and Ace in the manga is to be Luffy's protective older brothers. They're different to the other cheerleaders, as there exists a hierarchical relationship between them. Hell, the only reason Sabo exists is to replace Ace as the protective older brother.
It's not like Ace/Sabo are his decades older brothers, they're ultimately just random kids Luffy met at a young age, and that were stronger than him. There was no reason for Oda to keep them above him, especially wrt Sabo on Dressrosa, since Luffy was already experienced by then, and Sabo wasn't needed to protect Luffy from Doflamingo. We do know that Oda is willing to have the younger sibling be stronger (Katakuri/Pero) so this was just a rare example of Oda being willing to make one of Luffys ally stronger then him just because he has plans for that character, and wants to hype them as super strong
(Worth noting that Luffy has surpassed Sabo at this point, and could surpass Loki too,just in an arc or two. It's a bit hard to tell with Luffys power progression being all over the place)
Loki's purpose is not to be Luffy's protective older brother, hence, apples and oranges. Loki's story is to realise that Luffy is the man he's been searching for this whole time (sun god).
Depends,this arc has been a bit vague on what the sun god Nika even is. The other giants acknowledge that Luffy has the Nika form, but they still all dream of being like Nika themselves, and they all have different interpretations on what he could be. And while he probably will have to acknowledge that Luffy is the sun god who will change the world in a way he can't, it doesn't mean that Loki's role against Imu isn't also being established. He ate the mythical zoan that Rocks dreamed of Harald eating, and with Oda mentioning 3 other gods, it isn't really out of the discussion that Loki could just be a different god, who's equal to the sun god.
And Hancock wasn't Luffy's peer pre-TS. She was a much more established character, much more world-renowned, on a totally different level to Luffy. Meanwhile, Luffy is the Yonko here and he has a slightly higher bounty. Luffy and Loki are peers.
fair enough, my point was more so about age. Hancock could conceivably be considered a new gen character
 
I think the whole loki vs shanks situation will be solved end of arc it makes the most sense as loki will be busy fighting off the dream monsters and later Imu with luffy because currently the crew is helping out gaban.It will tie in with them needing to go to raftel and meeting the burn scar man sometime during this year so elbaf will be shorter than I thought Loki most likely has shanks vivre card too.
 
This is so funny to me, Lee has some of the worst takes on the forum usually but when it comes to Loki he gets possessed and starts spitting the most amazing shit ever
Kaido get his ass over power and that was that .
The fight was not a true 1 on 1 on either side.
Kaido kill luffy because a CP0 agent hold him down and we want call luffy a fraud lol.
Kaido almost had repeat of the Oden fight where he took the win and it did not bother him.
 
Gaban gave up after seeing G5 this not matter of him getting gang up and giving up this was him testing them .
If he did not care that much he would not have test them in first place or want to see G5 and comment on it .
He the one who told them where the key was in the first place and was find with them having key afterwards .
He gave them a warning but there was nothing to show he don't think they could not handled loki .
Isn't it telling that Gaban gave up after seeing Luffy's devil fruit form, and not his insane Haki or whatever? Luffy didn't really prove himself strength wise at all against Gaban. It's probably as simple as Gaban being told Luffy and Loki should meet from Shanks, since they both have powers that could be used against Imu.
 
What truth did he know? Gaban seemingly told no one that Loki didn’t kill the Castle Guards and that Harald was the real murderer. Gaban is not a credible source of information and never was.



The event that made Luffy a Yonko was a lie dude. Lol

Luffy never beat Kaido individually, the WG had him named a Yonko to fill the power vacuum. Oda literally had the event that made the main character a Yonko fraudulent. Lol



I predicted Shamrock having the Cerberus fruit in 2023. You can’t even predict what’s going to happen next chapter lmfao.
You have no idea why Gaban withheld the truth, but he still has absolutely no reason to lie to Luffy and randomly hype Shanks out of absolutely nowhere.

Bro, Luffy did beat Kaido lmfao. He ran it back more than enough times and did more than enough for us to comfortably say Luffy beat Kaido. Does that mean Luffy's overall stronger? No, Kaido could've easily won, but his dumbass will always decide to block Bajrang Gun with his face out of pure pride — it's a character flaw. Absolutely nothing fraudulent about Luffy being a Yonko.

Even a broken clock is right twice a day — any aura you gained with Cerberus was lost with that generational L of a tier list lmfao.
 
Oh, you're right. My bad about that.

However, I don't really agree with the distinction you're making here....

It's not like Ace/Sabo are his decades older brothers, they're ultimately just random kids Luffy met at a young age, and that were stronger than him. There was no reason for Oda to keep them above him, especially wrt Sabo on Dressrosa, since Luffy was already experienced by then, and Sabo wasn't needed to protect Luffy from Doflamingo. We do know that Oda is willing to have the younger sibling be stronger (Katakuri/Pero) so this was just a rare example of Oda being willing to make one of Luffys ally stronger then him just because he has plans for that character, and wants to hype them as super strong
(Worth noting that Luffy has surpassed Sabo at this point, and could surpass Loki too,just in an arc or two. It's a bit hard to tell with Luffys power progression being all over the place)

Depends,this arc has been a bit vague on what the sun god Nika even is. The other giants acknowledge that Luffy has the Nika form, but they still all dream of being like Nika themselves, and they all have different interpretations on what he could be. And while he probably will have to acknowledge that Luffy is the sun god who will change the world in a way he can't, it doesn't mean that Loki's role against Imu isn't also being established. He ate the mythical zoan that Rocks dreamed of Harald eating, and with Oda mentioning 3 other gods, it isn't really out of the discussion that Loki could just be a different god, who's equal to the sun god.


fair enough, my point was more so about age. Hancock could conceivably be considered a new gen character
Some good points, I can respect it
 
You literally disregarded everything I said about Gaban to hyper fixate on one point lmfao.

Gaban knew Luffy defeated Kaido but wasn’t sure if he could stop Loki.

Gaban knew the Holy Knights were on Elbaph and knew some shit was about to go down.

If Gaban didn’t give up the key, Luffy and Zoro would have taken it from him. I’m not repeating myself anymore lol.
Your missing the point that Gaban did not have to do any of this in the first place beside just warn luffy about loki and call it a day .
Just let them take the key and be done with it but he want to see certain aspect of luffy and his crew him self .
Hell luffy beating Kaido was not even why he test him it was more about trust as he told shanks .
 
Isn't it telling that Gaban gave up after seeing Luffy's devil fruit form, and not his insane Haki or whatever? Luffy didn't really prove himself strength wise at all against Gaban. It's probably as simple as Gaban being told Luffy and Loki should meet from Shanks, since they both have powers that could be used against Imu.
Gaban told shanks he was not just going to trust luffy .
So that test was also about trust and seeing G5 which more important than testing haki.
Since he most like hear about it and wanted to see it him self .
He also told them to check with him afterwards so he could most like know something about luffy DF or lore about it.
 
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