Fanclub The V̶i̶n̶s̶m̶o̶k̶e̶ Sanji FC: The Prince of love

[Royal Kick]

Hmmm, I understood the manga in a way that Sanji increases his speed by spinning, and that's how he got Diable Jambe, and thanks to exo skeleton he managed to increase his speed even more so he got hotter flames - Ifrit Jambe.
So imo it's vice versa, not DJ and IJ increase Sanji's speed, but rather Sanji's increasing his own speed leads to DJ & IJ.

It was never stated DJ makes him faster, he just spun really fast pre-TS to create friction and activate it. Once it's activated, why would the heat of DJ make him move faster? It's just an AP boost.

The exoskeleton does increase his speed, but his increased speed isn't the reason he can use IJ. It's just the combination of CoA and the exoskeleton that allows him to use hotter flames without hurting himself, that was explained by Sanji himself when he came up with IJ against Queen.

 

[Rumble]

Prior to Germa, Sanji's flames have always exceeded his body's ability to endure, that's why Diable Jambe took a toll on him pre-skip.

Sanji's flames didn't get stronger because of the Germa upgrades, they just made it possible endure even hotter flames when combined with Haki, meaning he was already capable of generating much hotter flames, he just couldn't endure them even with Haki.

We've barely scratched the surface on Sanji's Germa upgrades.

Ifrit literally generates electrified plasma because the heat ionises the air. Again, it is many times hotter than magma.

Sanji really doesn't need to go hotter than this imo. I think his next flame could be coloured by Conqueror's Haki and/or Power of Love.

I could see Sanji going hotter if it's a special flames that's got special properties, but idk. I think his next flame will be special regardless of heat.

 

[JJtheman]

What about Mother Flame? Do you think is there some correlation to Sanji? The cook is connected to fire and flames since decades. Could there be some connection? To Queen he said his passion burns hotter than flames. What if there is a little piece of mother flame inside Sanji?

Oda uses the kanji 消えない炎 to name. But the furigana (that indicates how to spell correctly the word, usually in hiragana, this time is in katakana) is マザーフレイム (Mazàfureimu - Mother Flame)

Normally 消えない炎 would be "kienai honoo" which means literally "undying flame".

Of course mother flame is an undying flame, nothing that we already don't know but is this the secret inside Sanji's body? His passion/flame is always burning right?

Mother Flame. Sora, his mother sacrificed herself so Sanji could have his fire.
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Prior to Germa, Sanji's flames have always exceeded his body's ability to endure, that's why Diable Jambe took a toll on him pre-skip.

Sanji's flames didn't get stronger because of the Germa upgrades, they just made it possible endure even hotter flames when combined with Haki, meaning he was already capable of generating much hotter flames, he just couldn't endure them even with Haki.

We've barely scratched the surface on Sanji's Germa upgrades.

Ifrit literally generates electrified plasma because the heat ionises the air. Again, it is many times hotter than magma.

Sanji really doesn't need to go hotter than this imo. I think his next flame could be coloured by Conqueror's Haki and/or Power of Love.

I could see Sanji going hotter if it's a special flames that's got special properties, but idk. I think his next flame will be special regardless of heat.

For the people who claim that his Jambes don't make him faster, what do you think Sanji saying "faster acceleration, heavier weight" after activating Ifrit Jambe means? That by increasing his speed through his flames working like propulsion, the force behind his kicks he uses to move faster on the ground and in the air with Skywalk increases. An example of Sanjis jambes making him faster is when he fought Vergo. In his base state, their speed was about equal, but only when he was using Diable Jambe was Sanji able to overwhelm Vergo in terms of speed and strength, the first increasing the second. Or when he deflected Oars Gum Gum Bazooka with Diable Jambe. Its like with Kizaru, his massive strength only exists because he moves at the speed of light

 

[L57]

lanji is not getting coc

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

lanji is not getting coc

Who asked you mutt? Go eat your kibble

 

[JJtheman]

lanji is not getting coc

Scopper Gabans existence would disagree with you.

 

[Raiden7]

Mother Flame. Sora, his mother sacrificed herself so Sanji could have his fire.
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For the people who claim that his Jambes don't make him faster, what do you think Sanji saying "faster acceleration, heavier weight" after activating Ifrit Jambe means? That by increasing his speed through his flames working like propulsion, the force behind his kicks he uses to move faster on the ground and in the air with Skywalk increases. An example of Sanjis jambes making him faster is when he fought Vergo. In his base state, their speed was about equal, but only when he was using Diable Jambe was Sanji able to overwhelm Vergo in terms of speed and strength, the first increasing the second. Or when he deflected Oars Gum Gum Bazooka with Diable Jambe. Its like with Kizaru, his massive strength only exists because he moves at the speed of light

Sanji says that with the exoskeleton and his body (muscles) he is even stronger physically. He adds to the equation also speed because if his body is stronger he can even move faster. So the speed comes from his body not from Diable / Ifrit Jambe.

Also saying that Kizaru strength only exists because he moves at the speed of light is a bit too naive, I guess. Kizaru is a superhuman like a lot of people in OP world, if we're talking about physical strength I don't think he lack in that department even if his fighting style is more based on the medium-long range with lasers or light swords. For example in marineford Kizaru held Whitebeard naginata under his foot with ease. That's a strength feat that does not take advantage of the speed of light to increase his base strength. In chapter 1124, there is a flashback where he raise up different steel girders without a problem. We can say that Kizaru don't lack physical strength at all, even if he rarely use a close combat fighting style.

 

[Poorsalino Cooker]

lanji is not getting coc

Go get some rest, pupper

 

[Rumble]

For the people who claim that his Jambes don't make him faster, what do you think Sanji saying "faster acceleration, heavier weight" after activating Ifrit Jambe means? That by increasing his speed through his flames working like propulsion, the force behind his kicks he uses to move faster on the ground and in the air with Skywalk increases.

I'm not saying the flames don't increase Sanji's speed, I'm saying Sanji's speed isn't needed for hotter flames because his fire ability always exceeded his body's ability to tolerate until he got the exoskeleton.

Right = Sanji summing up Germa upgrades: exoskeleton, enhanced muscles and speed

Left = Sanji summing up what is needed for hotter flames: exoskeleton + Haki

The exoskeleton, muscles and speed make Sanji stronger, but it is the exoskeleton specifically, when combined with Haki, that allows him to endure hotter flames.

 

[Dark Knight Sanji]

Mother Flame. Sora, his mother sacrificed herself so Sanji could have his fire.

This is actually a cool idea that I've subscribed to for ages. The mother flame being akin to an unlimited power source is mirrored by Sanji's own ability to raise the temperature of his flames infinitely, limited only by his own ability to withstand it. It could be that the mother flame is a fuel source from the old kingdom powered by love. Corny? Well...yes...but, it makes sense when you think about it. It also is likely to be the fuel which powers the lunarians, given their abilities stem from a fire source. It's why Vegapunk was able to recreate lunarian clones and curiously at the same time discover the mother flame. They are likely interconnected, with each lunarian having a flame source taken from the mother flame.

Sanji's abilities could be the result of a similar source. Whereby, the Mother Flame is the origin of an unlimited power source, created by love, Sanji could have his own Mother Flame bestowed upon him by his Mother's sacrifice which would be a more perfected form of the Lunarians - whereby the energy from the flame is not limited like it is for the Lunarians, so that they have to turn it off and on when using either their speed or durable forms.

It should also be noted that love being the anthithesis of hatred, is likely to be why the Gorosei were affected by it, given their esoteric abilities stem from hatred and malice. It also means that the Power or Love may be another means why which the immortality can be broken. The Power of Love is likely to be the source of the abilities of the races that have been or are near extinct. I.e. the Seraphim, the Buccaneers, and the Three-Eyed Tribe. As such, the Gorosei sought to exterminate these races, due to their ability to use the power or love in some form.

 

[PuckTheGreat]

Honestly I can help but be intrigued by "PoL" and given all the build up Oda gave it on Egghead I do really hope he expatiates on it this arc.

A strong theme of Egghead was that "love overcomes all and has no limits" (i.e. "Love has no limits", "Love doesn't hold a candle to light" etc.) so I'm really intrigued at the possiblities of this ability.

Fact that Oda gave Sanji a lot of focus with this ability on Egghead, assosciated it with the Buccaneers and chose to not delve into it is very intriguing.

Even more so when you consider the Garp situation, I'm still skeptical about Garp being a PoL user but Oda making a distinction between Haki and Love in the SBS is also pretty intriguing.

Hence why I strongly think that Oda will be building on this going forward with Sanji.

Also I went back to read the fake Einstein letter about PoL which is clearly what Oda is being used as a motif for this ability in One Piece and I noticed something pretty interesting.

This is an exerpt of the letter.

There is an extremely powerful force that, so far, science has not found a formal explanation to. It is a force that includes and governs all others, and is even behind any phenomenon operating in the universe and has not yet been identified by us.

This universal force is LOVE.

When scientists looked for a unified theory of the universe they forgot the most powerful unseen force.

Love is Light, that enlightens those who give and receive it.

Love is gravity, because it makes some people feel attracted to others.

Love is power, because it multiplies the best we have, and allows humanity not to be extinguished in their blind selfishness. Love unfolds and reveals.

For love we live and die.

Love is God and God is Love.

This force explains everything and gives meaning to life. This is the variable that we have ignored for too long, maybe because we are afraid of love because it is the only energy in the universe that man has not learned to drive at will.

One thing I though twas really interesting are these two statments.

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Love is Light, that enlightens those who give and receive it.
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Love is gravity, because it makes some people feel attracted to others.
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Doesn't it seem like Oda is replicating these statements with feats? or am I tripping lol?

If the above isn't just a coincidence, we might get an insane raw power feat from Sanji this arc to match the statment below, which is very interesting given this is a giant themeed arc.
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Love is power, because it multiplies the best we have, and allows humanity not to be extinguished in their blind selfishness. Love unfolds and reveals.
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The "Love is God and God is Love" part is also very intriguing

 

[Royal Kick]

I don't think Garp can use PoL, it's probably just a metaphor/gag in his case. Him straightening out Luffy in comedic, light-hearted moments isn't really comparable to Sanji deflecting Kizaru's laser. Otherwise, we might as well give PoL to Nami.

 

[PuckTheGreat]

I don't think Garp can use PoL, it's probably just a metaphor/gag in his case. Him straightening out Luffy in comedic, light-hearted moments isn't really comparable to Sanji deflecting Kizaru's laser. Otherwise, we might as well give PoL to Nami.

Yh I think so too. Even more so since there was absolutely no emphasis on it with regard to Garp on God Valley but I wouldn’t be surprised if Oda reveals that he’s able to use it. For one his physical abilities are pretty ridiculous for a human.

 

[Rumble]

Yh I think so too. Even more so since there was absolutely no emphasis on it with regard to Garp on God Valley but I wouldn’t be surprised if Oda reveals that he’s able to use it. For one his physical abilities are pretty ridiculous for a human.

Gee, I wonder.

 

[thisnewtechnique]

Its over for Zolo @nik87 🥀

 

[nik87]

Its over for Zolo @nik87 🥀

 

[Raiden7]

 

[Sir Yasheen]

I got you @Raiden7

 

[Raiden7]

Seems like I found something interesting. Maybe someone already watch this guy, but actually he got ties with the writers of One Piece live action from what I've seen. Well this is his review of chapter 1152, the chapter where Gyaban has that talk with Zoro / Sanji about conqeuror's haki.

If you click on the video it will bring you directly at 25:20 minutes in and this section ends up at 32:52 minutes.

At 29:10 minutes he talk about this "secret".

He speak about something he knows about Sanji and Zoro and then he clearly says Sanji has conqueror haki. By saying Sanji has it I guess the secret thing is something different. What do you think about it? This guy had connections, he says he knows something directly from the "source". He never speak of "power of love", this cement my idea that it is literally nothing.

What do you think? Could it be that the rivalry between Sanji and Zoro become more serious finally? Is it the "long awaited" Sanji vs Zoro? Or something more?

https://www.youtube.com/live/W8Pdj1qpct4?si=hPFOvE_YEcjAacfm&t=1520

 

[Rumble]

This guy had connections, he says he knows something directly from the "source". He never speak of "power of love", this cement my idea that it is literally nothing.

RogersBase is a moron. Dude only recently came around to believing Sanji will have CoC.

Power of Love is a thing. It was a thing before we understood how Haki worked. It's been explicitly acknowledged in SBS. Otohime said the words. Vegapunk said the words and Sanji destroyed a laser beam shortly after. Gaban's words can be interpreted as it being the reason for why certain hybrid species exist.