Character Discussion Preskip characters who suffer the most from the timeskip

[Buusatan94]

Who are the characters who appeared before the timeskip and who have suffered the worst of the timeskip and postskip writing, with their postskip characterization and treatment being way inferior to their preskip's?

Robin felt so much better as a character before the timeskip, it's baffling how much she has lost in terms of personality and how she's portrayed in terms of powers. The fact that she didn't get haki during timeskip is insane.

Smoker and Tashigi are without doubt two of the greatest casualties of the timeskip, with their horrible treatment at Punk Hazard, and Tashigi's treatment is especially awful and a lot of wasted opportunities, with her still being treated like a damsel in distress just good to be a baby-sitter to kids, with the promise of her becoming a stronger character and of collecting swords having been thrown in the trash, while even her relations and dynamics with Zoro, other Marines and other Straw Hats are cruelly underdevelopped. And it's especially notable in a manga whose treatment of its female characters has gone so wrong after the ts.

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

Chopper. Just merch fuel at this point

 

[Zoinks52]

Whitebeard.

I still love him and will defend him but Oda did him dirty. Roger too.

 

[Kizaruber Eats]

Usopp and Chopper the most by far easily. Oh and the aforementioned Smoker and Tashigi ofc.

Whitebeard.

I still love him and will defend him but Oda did him dirty. Roger too.

Completely agree.

Robin felt so much better as a character before the timeskip, it's baffling how much she has lost in terms of personality and how she's portrayed in terms of powers. The fact that she didn't get haki during timeskip is insane.

This as well. Oda even drew her with a pseudo Nami face for her new haircut for Elbalph, ergh.

After she slept through the MOST important arc in her entire fucking life!

 

[ZenZu]

I think we've talked enough about the fillerhat pirates over the years so let me talk a bit about a more recent great falloff.

Whitebeard. Imagine the Great Whitebeard, King of the Seas, WSM even at old age - turned into a lackey, running away from Prime Garp like a bitch, then abandons his captain at the slightest inconvenience without even double checking. So he didn't even do a good job being a lackey even with a lackey's mentality. He wasted no time hopping on the next dick, on some random pineapple lookin ah, meanwhile his Captain was being lynched by a bunch of scrubs who can be blown away with a simple gesture from WB but he was too busy moving on to the next ship. Roger pirates treated Garp better than WB did his own Captain.

A Xebec underling and for what? Nothing to show for it other than appeasing Oda's obsession with grouping characters together, not wanting to leave a Yonkou out of it. WB had no business being under Xebec.

 

[Shiroyru]

I think we've talked enough about the fillerhat pirates over the years so let me talk a bit about a more recent great falloff.

Whitebeard. Imagine the Great Whitebeard, King of the Seas, WSM even at old age - turned into a lackey, running away from Prime Garp like a bitch, then abandons his captain at the slightest inconvenience without even double checking. So he didn't even do a good job being a lackey even with a lackey's mentality. He wasted no time hopping on the next dick, on some random pineapple lookin ah, meanwhile his Captain was being lynched by a bunch of scrubs who can be blown away with a simple gesture from WB but he was too busy moving on to the next ship. Roger pirates treated Garp better than WB did his own Captain.

A Xebec underling and for what? Nothing to show for it other than appeasing Oda's obsession with grouping characters together, not wanting to leave a Yonkou out of it. WB had no business being under Xebec.

Agreed, though the part about WB joining Pinmarco’s crew is headcanon

 

[Levi]

Damn wb getting cooked
I don’t think the flashback ruined his character if anything he learned from his mistakes after oden and xbec in mf.
Imo it’s roger the supposedly pinnacle of pirates.

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

Agreed, though the part about WB joining Pinmarco’s crew is headcanon

Has a conqueror ever been the subordinate of a non conqueror anyway

 

[Levi]

Whitebeard.

I still love him and will defend him but Oda did him dirty. Roger too.

IMO roger is way worse.
Rocks crew was never friends tried to kill each others multiple times-in the flashback it was an every man for himself crew, rocks only friend was Harold.

Wb asked his question and got it he literally told kaido when he joined not to trust him.
Is it fucked up yeah, is it a character completely ruined moment no?

Now dodger was propped up as the peak pre timeskip g.o.a.t but all that shit was a propaganda from garp and sengoku.
Never officially beat
Garp
Sengoku
Wb
Rox
Bm.
“Only roger is in pk tier”
Stronger characters like Loki and Harold xbec peaks beyond mere pk lvls.

Found the op and was told the store is closed you’re too early never comeback.
Begged wb for oden.
Snuck through a pregnant woman house to steal road maps.
Had a thousand equals.
Roger pirates greatest enemy is fodder Garling and HK.

Imu didn’t give a flying hoot about roger pirates either he fears Loki and elbaf more so he ever did anyone from Roger’s generation and GV.
Compare luffy journey to rogers at this up to this point and it’s actually sad.

Roger wasn’t the pinnacle pirate hell him finding the OP still didn’t amount to anything he just ruled an era Loki and Harold wasn’t around for and one imu didn’t care about.

 

[GalaxyLevelShanks]

Whitebeard. Easily.

Now people may say Roger, which is fair since he’s ass too, but he barely had a character pre Wano. He had very few scenes and he was simply carried by mystique.

Whitebeard actually had a lot of screen time pre timeskip and was arguably the best written character in pre timeskip.

Post timeskip he got character assassinated. Wano was already bad enough where he went back on his ideals but still salvageable. I still loved him and was willing to ignore one bad arc. God Valley just twisted the knife 15 times over in the character assassination. Genuinely made me dislike Whitebeard. Absolutely ruined one of my fave characters in shounen.

 

[ヴィハーン]

What do you all need to act like whitebeard came out of the womb with adcoc punch or something.

Characters grow. And what all whitebeard accomplished after that is truly remarking.

Admirals at some point didn't even know Haki. During Garp training session bro had no idea what haki is. Look at him now a Devil fruit merchant.

People becoming weak to one of the strongest is good character development.

 

[GalaxyLevelShanks]

What do you all need to act like whitebeard came out of the womb with adcoc punch or something.

Characters grow. And what all whitebeard accomplished after that is truly remarking.

Admirals at some point didn't even know Haki. During Garp training session bro had no idea what haki is. Look at him now a Devil fruit merchant.

People becoming weak to one of the strongest is good character development.

It’s not the powerscaling that’s the issue it’s his character personality and attitude

 

[ヴィハーン]

It’s not the powerscaling that’s the issue it’s his character personality and attitude

I rhink it got even better.
How he appriciates " Family ". He saw Xebec more or less like a brother ready to fight Imu alongside him when he had nothing to gain just by saying, he kept on his tabs for alcohol.

He was rayleigh to Xebec, Even during their last clash, whitebeard didn't liked how it turned out.

 

[GalaxyLevelShanks]

I rhink it got even better.
How he appriciates " Family ". He saw Xebec more or less like a brother ready to fight Imu alongside him when he had nothing to gain just by saying, he kept on his tabs for alcohol.

He was rayleigh to Xebec, Even during their last clash, whitebeard didn't liked how it turned out.

Bro Roger, his biggest enemy and Garp who hated Xebec knew something was up when he was Domi Reversed but his right hand man couldn’t figure it out and was just pissed and ran after one clash with Xebec

If you wanted strength improvement then Oda should have made Whitebeard realise that something is up and run away with a lot of regret in his eyes

But Whitebeard, a man who values family above all, failed to understand his captain when his captain needed him most and abandoned him after one clash

It would have been better if there was an emotional fight between them where Whitebeard lost and had to escape for his own life while realising his captain is too far gone

But ofc everything gets off screened and Whitebeard just looks like a little bitch in GV, the opposite of what he should have been based on his portrayal

 

[ZenZu]

Bro Roger, his biggest enemy and Garp who hated Xebec knew something was up when he was Domi Reversed but his right hand man couldn’t figure it out and was just pissed and ran after one clash with Xebec

If you wanted strength improvement then Oda should have made Whitebeard realise that something is up and run away with a lot of regret in his eyes

But Whitebeard, a man who values family above all, failed to understand his captain when his captain needed him most and abandoned him after one clash

It would have been better if there was an emotional fight between them where Whitebeard lost and had to escape for his own life while realising his captain is too far gone

But ofc everything gets off screened and Whitebeard just looks like a little bitch in GV, the opposite of what he should have been based on his portrayal

You're speaking to a guy who says he understands haki, clearly he's able to pick up things Oda himself can't. Incoming nonsense rebuttal any time now.

For the record Garp and Roger had VoAT and WB didn't so that's how they were able to tell...but that doesn't change the rest of what you said.

 

[ヴィハーン]

Bro Roger, his biggest enemy and Garp who hated Xebec knew something was up when he was Domi Reversed but his right hand man couldn’t figure it out and was just pissed and ran after one clash with Xebec

As if " VoAT " suddenly doesn't exist now lmao.

If you wanted strength improvement then Oda should have made Whitebeard realise that something is up and run away with a lot of regret in his eyes

I was never quoting strength here but Whitebeard realised that there is no saving him. He attacked Kaidou and Bigmom mercilessly.

But Whitebeard, a man who values family above all, failed to understand his captain when his captain needed him most and abandoned him after one clash

Bruh who else understood beside Roger and Garp? Who had voice of all things.
Whitebeard saw him killing his own crewmate and backed off.

It would have been better if there was an emotional fight between them where Whitebeard lost and had to escape for his own life while realising his captain is too far gone

That's exactlt what happened Lol. He saw Xebec fighting Kaidou and linlin, Tried to stop Xebec.

Spoiler

" Are you turning on your own people ? "
" Is that all we are to tou, Rocks? impediments "

But ofc everything gets off screened and Whitebeard just looks like a little bitch in GV, the opposite of what he should have been based on his portrayal

Why he bother with someone who just tried to kill his own people?

Do you want to se whitebeard crying for blackbeard saying you're my son while Blackbeard kills more of his family?

You're speaking to a guy who says he understands haki, clearly he's able to pick up things Oda himself can't. Incoming nonsense rebuttal any time now.

LenZu on his average day where People don't agree with his opinion and some other opinions lmao.

God forbid someone have any other opinion than Lenzu Sama.


Coming To haki, none of you clown ever won a Haki debate with me.

Keep crying on your Aokiji has Advanced Conqueror copium.
i can see why you're butthurrt about Haki debates.

 

[GalaxyLevelShanks]

As if " VoAT " suddenly doesn't exist now lmao.


I was never quoting strength here but Whitebeard realised that there is no saving him. He attacked Kaidou and Bigmom mercilessly.



Bruh who else understood beside Roger and Garp? Who had voice of all things.
Whitebeard saw him killing his own crewmate and backed off.


That's exactlt what happened Lol. He saw Xebec fighting Kaidou and linlin, Tried to stop Xebec.

Spoiler

" Are you turning on your own people ? "
" Is that all we are to tou, Rocks? impediments "



Why he bother with someone who just tried to kill his own people?

Do you want to se whitebeard crying for blackbeard saying you're my son while Blackbeard kills more of his family?



LenZu on his average day where People don't agree with his opinion and some other opinions lmao.

God forbid someone have any other opinion than Lenzu Sama.


Coming To haki, none of you clown ever won a Haki debate with me.

Keep crying on your Aokiji has Advanced Conqueror copium.
i can see why you're butthurrt about Haki debates.

Lol I forgot that Whitebeard doesn’t have Voat which makes no sense. That’s even worse

Anyways, Xebec looked a lot different and Whitebeard should have figured out his vibe was off. His whole gimmick is having a family he values and guess what is necessary in family? Understanding someone even though they’re not showing it.

If Luffy was DRed and started lashing out on the strawhats do you think Zoro wouldn’t realise something’s up?

" Are you turning on your own people ? "
" Is that all we are to tou, Rocks? impediments "

Yes this is precisely why that whole sequence sucked balls. Look at Whitebeard’s face. There’s zero emotion whatsoever. Whitebeard should have realised something’s up and their fight should have BEEN longer instead of a few panels.

Whitebeard and Xebec clashing and Whitebeard understanding that Xebecs not the same and trying to help him but losing miserably and being forced to run away. Whitebeard with tears in his eyes because the only person that was like a brother to him got taken away by external forces which makes his trauma deeper and deepens his desire for a family. This would retroactively make all his scenes with the WBP as Oyaji much deeper.

Why he bother with someone who just tried to kill his own people?

Do you want to se whitebeard crying for blackbeard saying you're my son while Blackbeard kills more of his family?

I’m not asking him to risk his life to try saving a gone case. The fight should have simply been longer and more emotional. Whitebeard should’ve at least tried to understand his so called brother rather than just say a one liner, clash and offscreen.

Ask yourself, if this same encounter happened with Zoro and Luffy (say Franky/Robin are the ones being attacked), would you be satisfied with Zoro just saying “we were nothing but impediments to you huh?” clashing once and then abandoning his captain/best friend?

Zoro would never do that and having a family ain’t even Zoro’s entire shtick lol. So there’s absolutely no reason for someone who’s entire shtick is family to go away

 

[Topi Jerami]

Who actually looks better post timeskip compared to their pre skip?
Maybe Bellamy...

 

[ヴィハーン]

If Luffy was DRed and started lashing out on the strawhats do you think Zoro wouldn’t realise something’s up?

If he sees Luffy Punching kicking Rest of the crrw with Advanced Conqueror and not holding back.
Zoro would try to kill/Stop him rather than try to bring him back at this point. He knows that the luffy he knows would never.

Yes this is precisely why that whole sequence sucked balls. Look at Whitebeard’s face. There’s zero emotion whatsoever. Whitebeard should have realised something’s up and their fight should have BEEN longer instead of a few panels.

Given Whitebeard character wise, He had no much importance in God Valley.
On top of that he was thrown away by Xebec or by the clash.
He thrown away purposely so that Roger and Xebec deal with him.

Plot required Roger and Garp to be Hero here, not the rest.

Whitebeard with tears in his eyes because the only person that was like a brother to him got taken away by external forces which makes his trauma deeper and deepens his desire for a family. This would retroactively make all his scenes with the WBP as Oyaji much deeper.

Really?
Whitebeard feels nothing for people who Hurt his family. He kept blackbeard like a son, for more time than He was with Xebec. Yet he had no emotion left for Blackbeard once he started hurting his own.

To the matter of fact, I don't remember if This is whitebeard ship rule or Pirate rule in general, but hurting your own crewmates is the worst they can, it's like breaking the iron clad rule.

I’m not asking him to risk his life to try saving a gone case. The fight should have simply been longer and more emotional. Whitebeard should’ve at least tried to understand his so called brother rather than just say a one liner, clash and offscreen.

Tell me, Ace and Marco were like brothers, how long did he Stood against Akainu? One clash?
Rest was off screened with the entire crew.

Ask yourself, if this same encounter happened with Zoro and Luffy (say Franky/Robin are the ones being attacked), would you be satisfied with Zoro just saying “we were nothing but impediments to you huh?” clashing once and then abandoning his captain/best friend?

Except Luffy and Xebec do not follow same character personality type.

- Luffy won Everyone through emotion or convinced them into joining.
- Xebec forced them to join, yet they ended up making a bond.

And Again, with your example. If he sees Luffy not at all holding back against Ronbin/Franky.

Zoro is fighting him to death.

Where Xebec crew, Whitebeard didn't share any love for Linlin or Kaidou.

Whitebeard, knew Xebec won't do anything like hurting his own crew himself by attacking them. He did and abandoned him.

From my point of view, whitebeard came to two conclusions.
- Xebec is dead, that person infront is something else entirely and his vows of loyalty doesn't work anymore.
Or
- Xebec dishonered himself with violating a Pirate crew rule. So why would Whitebeard follow someone who considered at least Honorable when it comes Pirate rules. He played Davy back fights and Created a Heavan for all the pirates.

And to me, both are fine.

 

[GalaxyLevelShanks]

If he sees Luffy Punching kicking Rest of the crrw with Advanced Conqueror and not holding back.
Zoro would try to kill/Stop him rather than try to bring him back at this point. He knows that the luffy he knows would never.



Given Whitebeard character wise, He had no much importance in God Valley.
On top of that he was thrown away by Xebec or by the clash.
He thrown away purposely so that Roger and Xebec deal with him.

Plot required Roger and Garp to be Hero here, not the rest.


Really?
Whitebeard feels nothing for people who Hurt his family. He kept blackbeard like a son, for more time than He was with Xebec. Yet he had no emotion left for Blackbeard once he started hurting his own.

To the matter of fact, I don't remember if This is whitebeard ship rule or Pirate rule in general, but hurting your own crewmates is the worst they can, it's like breaking the iron clad rule.


Tell me, Ace and Marco were like brothers, how long did he Stood against Akainu? One clash?
Rest was off screened with the entire crew.


Except Luffy and Xebec do not follow same character personality type.

- Luffy won Everyone through emotion or convinced them into joining.
- Xebec forced them to join, yet they ended up making a bond.

And Again, with your example. If he sees Luffy not at all holding back against Ronbin/Franky.

Zoro is fighting him to death.

Where Xebec crew, Whitebeard didn't share any love for Linlin or Kaidou.

Whitebeard, knew Xebec won't do anything like hurting his own crew himself by attacking them. He did and abandoned him.

From my point of view, whitebeard came to two conclusions.
- Xebec is dead, that person infront is something else entirely and his vows of loyalty doesn't work anymore.
Or
- Xebec dishonered himself with violating a Pirate crew rule. So why would Whitebeard follow someone who considered at least Honorable when it comes Pirate rules. He played Davy back fights and Created a Heavan for all the pirates.

And to me, both are fine.

I’m too lazy rn to give a proper response so let’s just agree to disagree.

Tho I agree that WB was not necessary at gv. He was a tertiary character all flashback and treated like the Fillerhats post timeskip
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Who actually looks better post timeskip compared to their pre skip?
Maybe Bellamy...

Lord Gucci regained his aura post timeskip. He was just as good in Egghead