Questions & Mysteries Will The Holy Knights live up to the hype or be disappointing in Elbaf?
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Pre Identity crisis Gunko was the most hyped HK. Now she’s a damsel in distress who needs to be rescued
Sommers arrived and acted like hot shit, now he’s a meme who hasn’t done a single thing right his entire panel time
And Killingham has no panel time outside of having Muma which people treated as issues but are turning into Elbaf versions of the Numbers.
HK hype died the second oda made sure to say “by the way this is shamrock. He’s a rare talent so don’t compare him to the other holy knights who are jokes.”
Sommers arrived and acted like hot shit, now he’s a meme who hasn’t done a single thing right his entire panel time
And Killingham has no panel time outside of having Muma which people treated as issues but are turning into Elbaf versions of the Numbers.
HK hype died the second oda made sure to say “by the way this is shamrock. He’s a rare talent so don’t compare him to the other holy knights who are jokes.”
Disagree, while i think Sommers is the best written villain of the arc and has alot pressence 
the most hype was actually goonku and negging and capturing jimbo and brook at the same time.
Lets be real its because of the panties for you
the most hype was actually goonku and negging and capturing jimbo and brook at the same time.Lets be real its because of the panties for you
The minute I saw Gunko I knew there would be a catch, and then you're right to an extent, when it was revealed she's not wearing pants it only confirmed to me not to take this character seriously.
Sommers on the other hand was treating Garling as an equal, no HK has a scene as hype as this.
All of these guys are jobbers but Sommers is most comfortable in his skin.
She can´t be a proper arc villain because it´s too late in the story and she isn´t really stronger then Luffy, but her hype and feats are good still:
Easily killing Loki´s animal friends
Injuring him badly, Shamrock said the outcome would be same if Loki wasn´t chained(he´s wrong, but Shamrock is respecting her strength)
Has been a HK since Rocks was a rookie, Imu´s personal assistent/vessal
negging the SHPs outside the m3, including Jinbei(who has always been highlighted as an important character who even looked okay against Sakazuki and Big Mom)
Beat Gaban(obvious disclaimer that she had a hostage,but Gaban still is incredibly quick, but he couldn´t blitz her)
He easily beat Saul, and Robin. He hasn´t had much panel time to do much else, but he did briefly clash with an angered Gaban.
Wow, it´s almost like we went into a flashback for half a year, and before we didn´t have much fighting in Elbaf lol? Panel time or not, h´s obviously going to be strong, since he and Sommers were meant to replace Shamrock.
Oda never said that, and also, that´s only true to the extent that Shamrock is a top tier/prodigy type character, who might be the governments version of ¨Child of destiny¨, there´s no point in shitting on the other Hk for not being top tiers, no one said they were anything more then the usual underling fights of the arc.
Easily killing Loki´s animal friends
Injuring him badly, Shamrock said the outcome would be same if Loki wasn´t chained(he´s wrong, but Shamrock is respecting her strength)
Has been a HK since Rocks was a rookie, Imu´s personal assistent/vessal
negging the SHPs outside the m3, including Jinbei(who has always been highlighted as an important character who even looked okay against Sakazuki and Big Mom)
Beat Gaban(obvious disclaimer that she had a hostage,but Gaban still is incredibly quick, but he couldn´t blitz her)
He easily beat Saul, and Robin. He hasn´t had much panel time to do much else, but he did briefly clash with an angered Gaban.
Wow, it´s almost like we went into a flashback for half a year, and before we didn´t have much fighting in Elbaf lol? Panel time or not, h´s obviously going to be strong, since he and Sommers were meant to replace Shamrock.
Oda never said that, and also, that´s only true to the extent that Shamrock is a top tier/prodigy type character, who might be the governments version of ¨Child of destiny¨, there´s no point in shitting on the other Hk for not being top tiers, no one said they were anything more then the usual underling fights of the arc.
I didn't say anything about admirals lol.
I wasn't even participating in this thread, I came mid discussion when someone said " Canonically " showing coc.
Even i need to check what started it lol, above was just educated guess.
And trapping enemies, idk man, doffy broke out of it with simple haki and his own steel like vines are good counter to ice. Not saying he will win. But idts trapping is how kuzan wins this.
And there will be exceptions man, I don't think coc will be the only counter.
I wasn't even participating in this thread, I came mid discussion when someone said " Canonically " showing coc.
Even i need to check what started it lol, above was just educated guess.
And trapping enemies, idk man, doffy broke out of it with simple haki and his own steel like vines are good counter to ice. Not saying he will win. But idts trapping is how kuzan wins this.
And there will be exceptions man, I don't think coc will be the only counter.
Anyone with Doffy level haki should be able to avoid it. Personally i don't think Jozu had same haki level as Doffy.
And his freezing was a bit different. Garp/Doffy were frozen from outside whereas Jozu was freezed from inside out completely destroying/crumbling/shattering his hand away. And Holyknights can avoid that for sure given regen.
Which is?
And his freezing was a bit different. Garp/Doffy were frozen from outside whereas Jozu was freezed from inside out completely destroying/crumbling/shattering his hand away. And Holyknights can avoid that for sure given regen.
Which is?
Shattering them is optional though
He can just leave them there frozen. Not to mention we also saw Cracker frozen solid and he wasn’t able to break out
So we know for a fact that some commanders (even with good haki like Cracker) are completely helpless after being frozen
Trapping them. Kuzan should be able to do it easily
Fujitora can defeat any Holy Knight by trapping them deep underground with his gravity. Shikamaru vs Hidan style
Not killing them can’t be considered a negative because Loki is the only person in the verse that’s confirmed to have the capabilities to kill them
Other people in One Piece can remove them from play
He can just leave them there frozen. Not to mention we also saw Cracker frozen solid and he wasn’t able to break out
So we know for a fact that some commanders (even with good haki like Cracker) are completely helpless after being frozen
Trapping them. Kuzan should be able to do it easily
Fujitora can defeat any Holy Knight by trapping them deep underground with his gravity. Shikamaru vs Hidan style
Not killing them can’t be considered a negative because Loki is the only person in the verse that’s confirmed to have the capabilities to kill them
Other people in One Piece can remove them from play
TBH the hype should have died the second they were introduced, when:
A) Oda introduced them as rev's opponents;
B) thinking only 1 second about their ranking would have made clear they were the Tobi Roppo of the WG, and so they would have been dealt with by the weaker characters of the final war, the one who won't go against the calamities/Gorosei.
Which probably is still solid YC level to YC1 for some, maybe (EoS Jinbe's adversary, maybe), but that's it.
A) Oda introduced them as rev's opponents;
B) thinking only 1 second about their ranking would have made clear they were the Tobi Roppo of the WG, and so they would have been dealt with by the weaker characters of the final war, the one who won't go against the calamities/Gorosei.
Which probably is still solid YC level to YC1 for some, maybe (EoS Jinbe's adversary, maybe), but that's it.
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No one is saying Luffy is fighting all of them? The only HK with actual merit he has fighting is Shamrock, because its the person who is a literal spitting image of his childhood idol, and who is the HK Captain.
But no @soupongo thinks that all that priority goes to Loki because of a singluar interaction lol, not years of anticipation of Luffy meeting Shanks (and conversely, meeting an evil version of him). Just like Wyper (Enel), Jinbe (Hody), Law (Doflamingo), Kid/Law/Zoro (Kaido), all had anomosity towards certain characters that totally had them fight leaders of particular factions and not Luffy, right?
But no @soupongo thinks that all that priority goes to Loki because of a singluar interaction lol, not years of anticipation of Luffy meeting Shanks (and conversely, meeting an evil version of him). Just like Wyper (Enel), Jinbe (Hody), Law (Doflamingo), Kid/Law/Zoro (Kaido), all had anomosity towards certain characters that totally had them fight leaders of particular factions and not Luffy, right?
The difference between all those cases is those characters were the leaders of their factions, in this case Shamrock is an underling. Sure, luffy fought underlings in EL and WCI, but in the final saga, it seems a lot more likely for the story to focus on Luffy fighting Imu and Teach, which are both destined fights.
Obviously you´re entitled to your opinion, but if it´s based on the idea that Shamrock is going to return to Elbaf and replace Imu as the main villain, I think it´s a bit out there, the chances that Imu is replaced as a villain here seems very unlikely, and Oda didn´t choose to build up a dynamic with Luffy and Shamrock like he did with Loki and Shamrock, or even create possibilities like with the HK and RA´s being built up to fight.
Obviously you´re entitled to your opinion, but if it´s based on the idea that Shamrock is going to return to Elbaf and replace Imu as the main villain, I think it´s a bit out there, the chances that Imu is replaced as a villain here seems very unlikely, and Oda didn´t choose to build up a dynamic with Luffy and Shamrock like he did with Loki and Shamrock, or even create possibilities like with the HK and RA´s being built up to fight.