Powers & Abilities New Goalpost for Zoro?
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Funny thing is Zoro reached 2 Emperors and fought them better than anyone else while people thought he never fought a Yonko commander tier because the last guy he fought was Pica and then it turned out that Pica was above most people in YC tier.
Same thing with top tiers, people claim the same as you without realising Zoro's top tier fight is already behind him. King is stronger than any Admiral and this will be revealed in WG war when King returns to aid Nika and claps Aramaki.
Same thing with top tiers, people claim the same as you without realising Zoro's top tier fight is already behind him. King is stronger than any Admiral and this will be revealed in WG war when King returns to aid Nika and claps Aramaki.
There has been no question about Zoros AP or Haki for a while.
- Dressrosa feat shocked a legend like Don Chinjao
- Rooftop shocked Kaido and BM
- Egghead impressed Vegapunk, Lucci and Venus
- Elbaph impressed legend Gaban & Giants pirates
But as original poster stated: Zoro only has a normal human body (peak condition). And I'd add mobility issues (in the air).
Also, it's not a weakness per se just in comparison, but Zoro can "only" go from Gear 5 to Gear 6 (extreme diff) to overcome opponents or hurdles like Mr1, Kuma or King.
Luffy can go to Gear 7 or 8 as well as heal up super fast compared to Zoro who is out for 3 weeks after a tough battle.
- Dressrosa feat shocked a legend like Don Chinjao
- Rooftop shocked Kaido and BM
- Egghead impressed Vegapunk, Lucci and Venus
- Elbaph impressed legend Gaban & Giants pirates
But as original poster stated: Zoro only has a normal human body (peak condition). And I'd add mobility issues (in the air).
Also, it's not a weakness per se just in comparison, but Zoro can "only" go from Gear 5 to Gear 6 (extreme diff) to overcome opponents or hurdles like Mr1, Kuma or King.
Luffy can go to Gear 7 or 8 as well as heal up super fast compared to Zoro who is out for 3 weeks after a tough battle.
You're feeding the Sanji bros with this nonsense. The roof top told us all we need to know
- Already defeated Killer before hand. Impressed him by cutting Kaidos scales.
- Impressed Law by giving Kaido a scar that will stay.
- Impressed Kidd by blocking Hakai.
- Impressed Luffy by saving him again and again.
- Impressed Big Mom with the attack she yelled at Kaido to dodge.
- Impressed Kaido with his CoC.
But the difference is Zoro left with 30-40 broken bones and would have been out for a month if not for miracle drug.
Luffy has haxx. He restarted his heart and kept growing stronger, finding new strength (levels, gears, whatever) and fought on as if he was fresh though he already died.
One should not compare peak human to God.
- Already defeated Killer before hand. Impressed him by cutting Kaidos scales.
- Impressed Law by giving Kaido a scar that will stay.
- Impressed Kidd by blocking Hakai.
- Impressed Luffy by saving him again and again.
- Impressed Big Mom with the attack she yelled at Kaido to dodge.
- Impressed Kaido with his CoC.
But the difference is Zoro left with 30-40 broken bones and would have been out for a month if not for miracle drug.
Luffy has haxx. He restarted his heart and kept growing stronger, finding new strength (levels, gears, whatever) and fought on as if he was fresh though he already died.
One should not compare peak human to God.
Couple things:
1) What makes you think Oda is uncomfortable with having Zoro fight a top-tier? He was more than happy to let pre-power up Zoro overwhelm Kaido, a high top-tier. He's even happy to let Zoro have an equal clash of ACoC with another high top-tier, Venus. What opportunity has Zoro had to have an extended fight with a top-tier since Wano?
On Egghead, Oda was happy to let Dorry and Brogy fight top-tiers let alone Zoro, so comfortability wasn't the issue there. Oda using Lucci as a lazy stalling mechanism for Zoro is actually evidence towards Zoro being a decent fight for a top-tier, as Oda used Lucci to keep Zoro away from Luffy, Kizaru and Saturn so that Vegapunk could die. The second this plot point had passed and stall piece was over, it was revealed that Zoro could've low-diffed Lucci anytime he wanted. Lazy writing but evidence that Zoro treats YC1s like Shanks treated Kid.
2) The top-tier is a tier, not a level. There are multiple levels within the top-tier. RT Zoro may have been getting ragdolled by King, but he was still YC1 and of the same level, despite never facing a YC1 before. His feats were enough for us to conclude he was above most YC1s despite a distinct lack of feats against YC1s.
Similarly, Zoro can still be on the same level as a top-tier despite not having an extended fight with one before. Particularly the weaker top-tiers such as the old legends. Now that Zoro has control over his ACoC, what's putting an entire level difference between him and say Gaban? Particularly when you consider that KOH Zoro should logically be a full fledged top-tier as he's using Oden levels of haki, and now his base is looking clean as well.
Zoro's essentially the best of both worlds between two of the strongest Inbetweeners, Law (AP) and Yamato (ACoC/CQC) rn, combining their best attributes stated in brackets to be eligible for top-tier consideration. If Law had Yamato's ACoC/CQC or Yamato had Law's AP, they'd both be at least low top-tiers. That is literally Zoro.
1) What makes you think Oda is uncomfortable with having Zoro fight a top-tier? He was more than happy to let pre-power up Zoro overwhelm Kaido, a high top-tier. He's even happy to let Zoro have an equal clash of ACoC with another high top-tier, Venus. What opportunity has Zoro had to have an extended fight with a top-tier since Wano?
On Egghead, Oda was happy to let Dorry and Brogy fight top-tiers let alone Zoro, so comfortability wasn't the issue there. Oda using Lucci as a lazy stalling mechanism for Zoro is actually evidence towards Zoro being a decent fight for a top-tier, as Oda used Lucci to keep Zoro away from Luffy, Kizaru and Saturn so that Vegapunk could die. The second this plot point had passed and stall piece was over, it was revealed that Zoro could've low-diffed Lucci anytime he wanted. Lazy writing but evidence that Zoro treats YC1s like Shanks treated Kid.
2) The top-tier is a tier, not a level. There are multiple levels within the top-tier. RT Zoro may have been getting ragdolled by King, but he was still YC1 and of the same level, despite never facing a YC1 before. His feats were enough for us to conclude he was above most YC1s despite a distinct lack of feats against YC1s.
Similarly, Zoro can still be on the same level as a top-tier despite not having an extended fight with one before. Particularly the weaker top-tiers such as the old legends. Now that Zoro has control over his ACoC, what's putting an entire level difference between him and say Gaban? Particularly when you consider that KOH Zoro should logically be a full fledged top-tier as he's using Oden levels of haki, and now his base is looking clean as well.
Zoro's essentially the best of both worlds between two of the strongest Inbetweeners, Law (AP) and Yamato (ACoC/CQC) rn, combining their best attributes stated in brackets to be eligible for top-tier consideration. If Law had Yamato's ACoC/CQC or Yamato had Law's AP, they'd both be at least low top-tiers. That is literally Zoro.
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Gap is an illusion.
All the YC1 can deccesively hold against an admiral and will eventually lose. They don't have a winning condition against them, except like Zoro, Beckmann and shiryu.
It doesn't matter if Shiryu is a top tier or not.
It's the basic principle of One piece fights.
Luffy fights an opponent and next arc, Zoro beats someone of sams caliber or higher.
Egghead doesn't count, as Both Kaidou and King are superior to Kizaru and Lucci.
Next major arc will be Against blackbeard only.
Shiryu will most likely end up as low top tier whether you like it or not.
All the YC1 can deccesively hold against an admiral and will eventually lose. They don't have a winning condition against them, except like Zoro, Beckmann and shiryu.
It doesn't matter if Shiryu is a top tier or not.
It's the basic principle of One piece fights.
Luffy fights an opponent and next arc, Zoro beats someone of sams caliber or higher.
Egghead doesn't count, as Both Kaidou and King are superior to Kizaru and Lucci.
Next major arc will be Against blackbeard only.
Shiryu will most likely end up as low top tier whether you like it or not.