Fanclub The V̶i̶n̶s̶m̶o̶k̶e̶ Sanji FC: The Prince of love

[Sir Yasheen]

I feel like after is too big of a loophole because DR Loki vs the Strawhats has a very real chance of happening (sadly)

I'd say if Sanji has a full 1v1 after the Sommers fight then it'll be your win

Group fights don't count

Fair enough?

Sounds good to me!

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The Wings vs Dorry and Brogy sounds cool on paper but narratively Sommers just makes more sense as a Sanji opponent. Dunno what the link between Zoro and Killingham would be but then again I'm not sure they'll fight either

But yeah feels like quite a few Sanji fans want the D and B matchup because the Holy Knights don't seem very impressive yet. That's the same thing people said about King until we actually saw him fight

It’s not just about not being impressive, it’s about D and B being hyped above these two holy knights. Zoro and Sanji have always fought the strongest and most hyped subordinates, and at this point, it’s D and B, not the Holy Knights who genuinely don’t even feel like threats anymore

 

[Rumble]

The Wings vs Dorry and Brogy sounds cool on paper but narratively Sommers just makes more sense as a Sanji opponent. Dunno what the link between Zoro and Killingham would be but then again I'm not sure they'll fight either

But yeah feels like quite a few Sanji fans want the D and B matchup because the Holy Knights don't seem very impressive yet. That's the same thing people said about King until we actually saw him fight

Killingham manifests fears. Any fear Zoro has is likely tied to Kuina.

If I had my way, Killingham would be using his powers manifest Kuina leading an army of samurai ancestors of Wano. We've yet to see Zoro fight angry. Insulting Kuina's memory could trigger an overdue ragestomp.

Killingham could easily be Zoro's best fight if Oda lets him cut loose on some Kenpachi shit.

Spoiler: Bleach ch 576 + 577

 

[Welkin]

It’s not just about not being impressive, it’s about D and B being hyped above these two holy knights. Zoro and Sanji have always fought the strongest and most hyped subordinates, and at this point, it’s D and B, not the Holy Knights who genuinely don’t even feel like threats anymore

Have they been hyped as the strongest though? I mean if you really go and look at it what puts them above Sommers and Killingham factually

I'd argue they look more impressive due to their showings in Egghead but we also know that Oda makes a character look one way and then when they get an actual full fight they look completely different

King didn't look particularly strong at all and no one was hyping him. Then he starts fighting Zoro and all of a sudden he looks like an absolute monster

Mind you, this was the same Zoro that just came off an MVP level performance on the Rooftop. He went on to have an incredibly difficult fight with someone that Marco was manhandling in a 1v2

Don't let early arc showings fool you. Wait till they actually get a chance to go all out against a relevant opponent

 

[Sir Yasheen]

Have they been hyped as the strongest though? I mean if you really go and look at it what puts them above Sommers and Killingham factually

I'd argue they look more impressive due to their showings in Egghead but we also know that Oda makes a character look one way and then when they get an actual full fight they look completely different

King didn't look particularly strong at all and no one was hyping him. Then he starts fighting Zoro and all of a sudden he looks like an absolute monster

Mind you, this was the same Zoro that just came off an MVP level performance on the Rooftop. He went on to have an incredibly difficult fight with someone that Marco was manhandling in a 1v2

Don't let early arc showings fool you. Wait till they actually get a chance to go all out against a relevant opponent

I think they have. I don’t think Zoro would avoid a confrontation between Sommers and Killingham like he did for Dory and Brogy. And Dory and Brogy were squaring up with Gorosei previously and got a bounty of 1.8 Billion Berries.

King didn’t look particularly strong, but he also never got treated as a joke like the holy knights did. The way oda treats those two as low diff and collateral damage every single time they get in any fight is telling imo. King and Queen never once looked this bad, even when they squared up to top tiers oda spared their auras by having King knock BMs ship down a waterfall and Queen damage big mom then capture her.

It’s not just early arc showing, it’s consistent showing. The holy knights just aren’t what people wanted them to be. And D and B have the one thing that made the Holy Knights a threat, immortality. They just have it along with actual physical power and good portrayal and hype.

 

[Welkin]

I think they have. I don’t think Zoro would avoid a confrontation between Sommers and Killingham like he did for Dory and Brogy. And Dory and Brogy were squaring up with Gorosei previously and got a bounty of 1.8 Billion Berries.

King didn’t look particularly strong, but he also never got treated as a joke like the holy knights did. The way oda treats those two as low diff and collateral damage every single time they get in any fight is telling imo. King and Queen never once looked this bad, even when they squared up to top tiers oda spared their auras by having King knock BMs ship down a waterfall and Queen damage big mom then capture her.

It’s not just early arc showing, it’s consistent showing. The holy knights just aren’t what people wanted them to be. And D and B have the one thing that made the Holy Knights a threat, immortality. They just have it along with actual physical power and good portrayal and hype.

I mean it’s a 2v1 it’s fair for anyone to avoid a confrontation against 2 strong fighters when you’re at a clear disadvantage/surprised

And King was definitely treated like a joke, he pretty much was a joke to the fandom until he fought Zoro. You don’t remember seeing the memes after Marco absolutely embarrassed King and Queen in a 1v2?

Sure, we can look back on it now and see that he only did superficial damage and it wasn’t a big deal but at the time no one really respected King and Queen. Zoro fans as well as a chunk of the OP fanbase at large thought there was no way King could give him a good fight after the rooftop. Come to find out Rooftop Zoro would get ragdolled by King in a 1v1

Gunko soloing the Strawhats including Jinbei is impressive, Killingham’s dream monsters essentially soloing Elbaf’s army is impressive, Killingham easily defeating Robin and setting up thorns that even an elite haki user like Jinbei can’t do anything about is impressive

It’s the same song and dance as before. People think they’re weak clowns that are unfit to be main arc opponents and then suddenly they look strong when we actually get to their fight

 

[JJtheman]

Sanjis Conqueror mode Will be KOH (King of Hearts)

 

[Rumble]

Sanjis Conqueror mode Will be KOH (King of Hearts)

I very much doubt that.

Oda likes his colour coding, we know Luffy, Zoro and Sanji are respectively associated with red, green and blue.

At the end of Wano, Luffy's advanced Conqueror's Haki manifested as red and Zoro's as green.

Sanji didn't awaken Conqueror's Haki then, but he did awaken a blue flame. I don't think Sanji will unlock a hotter flame, but I do think Conqueror's Haki will make it a lot more powerful.

If Sanji is getting a new flame, I believe it will be Power of Love based, and that it will be a reality defying flame that can affect others for better or worse like Parage Shot on steroids. It will probably have a name in line with the Jambe convention.

I continue to believe Sanji's next flame won't burn, or at least, it won't only burn if it does.

Oda's gags become part of the plot.

imo, Parage Shot is a hint to Sanji's final flame.

 

[Hiragaro]

I have to admit, for me too, that was a big missed opportunity.

That was a straight up fake ass tease...
Oda lined them up against Kizaru, Sanji lighting up his cig and shit talking to him. Kizaru also saying that he has to get atleast their heads to save face. I mean it cant get more obvious that a fight is about to happen - i think nobody expected a full on fight, considering the situation, but some clashes were to be expected. Next chapter Oda does a 180...

 

[RayanOO]

Sommers was golden this chap

 

[PuckTheGreat]

That was a straight up fake ass tease...
Oda lined them up against Kizaru, Sanji lighting up his cig and shit talking to him. Kizaru also saying that he has to get atleast their heads to save face. I mean it cant get more obvious that a fight is about to happen - i think nobody expected a full on fight, considering the situation, but some clashes were to be expected. Next chapter Oda does a 180...

Come on lads, this is Oda’s bread and butter lol
The man is a hype merchant 😂
We saw this multiple times on Wano as well, and one of them was Sanji v Page 1. Hell same applied on WCI as well.

Not saying I don’t understand the disappointment but just keep in mind that Sanji almost never gets fights in smaller arcs, so best to temper expectations. He will however get one hype moment or two.

All in all, was pleasantly surprised at how much he ate on Egghead like someone else has more eloquently pointed out ^^

 

[Dark Knight Sanji]

That was a straight up fake ass tease...
Oda lined them up against Kizaru, Sanji lighting up his cig and shit talking to him. Kizaru also saying that he has to get atleast their heads to save face. I mean it cant get more obvious that a fight is about to happen - i think nobody expected a full on fight, considering the situation, but some clashes were to be expected. Next chapter Oda does a 180...

Yes thst did any point. How long are wr going to get teased.

 

[Doggo]

Tbh Sommers is one of the reasons I strongly believe Sanji's flame buff this arc is going to be something akin to amaterasu.
I don't believe Sanji will kill him but I can see Sanji put him through so much pain that he'd wish he was dead.
- Holy Knights feel pain when they are attacked by CoC.
- Way to put them out of service is to continiously attack them with CoC which will slow down their regen
- An undying flame attack wll not kill Sommers but will give him unimagineable pain of the likes he's never experience before, maybe even enough to traumatize him for the rest of his life
Hell's Kitchen - Ah-des Jambe - "Hell Fire Flame"

An "eternal flame" is pretty much the source of energy Lilith was talking about btw.

 

[Dark Knight Sanji]

Come on lads, this is Oda’s bread and butter lol
The man is a hype merchant 😂
We saw this multiple times on Wano as well, and one of them was Sanji v Page 1. Hell same applied on WCI as well.

Not saying I don’t understand the disappointment but just keep in mind that Sanji almost never gets fights in smaller arcs, so best to temper expectations. He will however get one hype moment or two.

All in all, was pleasantly surprised at how much he ate on Egghead like someone else has more eloquently pointed out ^^

So you agree he wont get anything in Elbaph? Good to know.

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This fraud is going to do nothing this arc

 

[PuckTheGreat]

So you agree he wont get anything in Elbaph? Good to know.

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This fraud is going to do nothing this arc

Broski chillax!
Why are you so pressed?
Even Luffy’s yet to do shit this arc 💀
Elbaf is not WCI, Wano act 1 or Egghead which were transition type arcs.

Sanji will get his moment just chill & touch grass for a bit. Plus, ain’t no way you’re complaining about Sanji getting shit this arc when Oda has given us Gaban. We’ve been eating good and there’s still plenty more to come. Relax.

 

[Rumble]

So you agree he wont get anything in Elbaph? Good to know.

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This fraud is going to do nothing this arc

Why are you constantly crying in this thread? Shut the fuck up already.

 

[Raiden7]

Dark Knight Sanji probably needs a break. Just an advice. I was tired too in Wano when roofpiece was in action while Sanji was beated by Black Maria. In that period I took a break and came after that. To this day still think Sanji was worthy of being up there but Oda decided to give him great character progression with Robin. Unfortunately (or fortunately, depends) we are not the ones to write this story.

Even though sometimes I wish Oda change his structured storytelling a bit. Just make an arc where the stronger strawhats are inable to fight and let only the weak ones fight to save them. Make an arc where the usual structure is completely different. I don't think it will ever happen, Oda is pretty much a schematic person in term of story progression.

 

[Devilbat]

Dark Knight Sanji probably needs a break. Just an advice. I was tired too in Wano when roofpiece was in action while Sanji was beated by Black Maria. In that period I took a break and came after that. To this day still think Sanji was worthy of being up there but Oda decided to give him great character progression with Robin.

Yeah, that was such a low point for me, too. Reading that arc on a weekly+ breaks basis was horrible, with forums blowing Sanji's incompetence out of proportion, but re-reading it in a chunk felt more natural, and Robin coming to save Sanji was such a touching moment, on top of Sanji's character development (from "I'll go marry Pudding to suffer alone" to "I admit I need help and I trust my cremate to handle this"). I still don't like Oda's exaggerating Sanji's suffering, and I also believe Sanji earned his place on the rooftop, but I can also see Oda's logic "roof top for worst generation vs yonkous only".

Overall, Wano taught me not to expect certain things from OP. I was really disappointed with the arc then, and I still dislike it now compared to other arcs, but at least I leaned not to hype myself too much to avoid disappointment.

And if you want your fav character to always get hype scenes and so on, you need to stan Luffy, he's almost always in a spotlight.

 

[Hiragaro]

Not saying I don’t understand the disappointment but just keep in mind that Sanji almost never gets fights in smaller arcs, so best to temper expectations. He will however get one hype moment or two.

It’s not even about a fight, but even a clash. Oda deliberately wrote everything that would lead to that obvious confrontation between them, just to not do it.
It’s this stupid obvious teasing that doesn’t lead to anything.
Same shit happened in Wano when Sanji wanted to go to the rooftop, but Oda rather had him experience Kalifa 2.0 and run around in circles for absolutely no reason. That is just terrible writing.

 

[MegaSpider]

Sanji's been carrying a sword all arc and Robin is tied by thorns.
Atleast a minute has passed offscreen since he arrived. She should already be free by now. No need to beat Sommers to free her.

So with both Robin and the kids saved, what reason is there to fight Sommers? Feels like his role is done next chapter when Loki/Luffy attack and defeat him.

 

[Royal Kick]

Dark Knight Sanji probably needs a break. Just an advice. I was tired too in Wano when roofpiece was in action while Sanji was beated by Black Maria. In that period I took a break and came after that. To this day still think Sanji was worthy of being up there but Oda decided to give him great character progression with Robin. Unfortunately (or fortunately, depends) we are not the ones to write this story.

Even though sometimes I wish Oda change his structured storytelling a bit. Just make an arc where the stronger strawhats are inable to fight and let only the weak ones fight to save them. Make an arc where the usual structure is completely different. I don't think it will ever happen, Oda is pretty much a schematic person in term of story progression.

Kinda happened in Thriller Bark.