Yeah, if WB and Kaido, who actually got to dominate entire story arcs didn´t really definitively prove their titles(and Whitebeard was genuinely treated relatively badly this arc, even if you still think he built his way up later on), all that really matters to Oda at this point is being linked to Goofy and what hypes up the audience, and Shanks is clearly the big man on campus in both catagories, after film red became one of the biggest movies in Japan or whatever
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I mean he thinks that Shanks’s red hair doesn’t matter at all despite his epithet literally being Red Hair, and despite it repeatedly being pointed out to him that Shanks, Shamrock, and their mom are literally the only 3 characters that have their hair drawn with a grey shading in the black and white manga (despite guys like Kid, who had pretty much the exact same shade of red as Shanks, only having his hair drawn as white in the manga), so I think that answers your question.
Lol I'm just yanking your chains, calm down bro. Obviously Oda thought "In over a decade from now, I will introduce a character far stronger than Whitebeard, therefore his title will be invalid, yet I will still call him the WSM because reasons". Makes a lot of sense, imo.
He also called Mihawk the strongest swordsman "in both name and actuality" as a gag. Clearly Mihawk wouldn't ACTUALLY be the strongest swordsman despite it being built up for over a thousand chapters with it also being Zoro's end goal, because that'd just be silly!
He also called Mihawk the strongest swordsman "in both name and actuality" as a gag. Clearly Mihawk wouldn't ACTUALLY be the strongest swordsman despite it being built up for over a thousand chapters with it also being Zoro's end goal, because that'd just be silly!
I don’t think he will be that serpent but I do believe him and Garling could potentially have multiple powers one from their sword and one from personal consumption. Honestly I don’t even think Oda would do that for Shams but I could see it for Garling, higher status and less talent (headcanon) so he could compensate.
I´m actually shocked you missed the point so hard. If he doesn´t respect titles in practice, and is willing to contradict previous information(you can say this about almost any reveal in Elbaf and even the last 10 years of OP), it sends the reader the message they don´t need to take the titles so seriously. Was it his original intention? Maybe or maybe not, but it´s not really relevant.
A vivre card statement doesn´t change anything, they repeat the statements from the manga. I´m pretty sure the vivre cards and databooks also say Kaido is the strongest, which you don´t even believe.
A vivre card statement doesn´t change anything, they repeat the statements from the manga. I´m pretty sure the vivre cards and databooks also say Kaido is the strongest, which you don´t even believe.
Okay, that's all good for Whitebeard or Kaido or whoever, but Mihawk's still referred to as the WSS to this day, so none of this applies to him.
Until Oda contradicts himself again, Mihawk is still canonically above Shanks, which I don't see ever changing as him being the WSS is directly tied to a Straw Hat's dream.
Until Oda contradicts himself again, Mihawk is still canonically above Shanks, which I don't see ever changing as him being the WSS is directly tied to a Straw Hat's dream.
Right.... like how Kaido is stronger then Loki and Imu, since every second he was around we were told:
No one could kill him
in a 1v1 bet on Kaido
people say he´s the strongest creature,land,sea and air
He had the largest bounty around as a pirate in the post TS, and the only pirate with a higher bounty then him in the pre TS ducked him
You agree with all of that, since it was canonically in the manga, right?
Right.... like how Kaido is stronger then Loki and Imu, since every second he was around we were told:
No one could kill him
in a 1v1 bet on Kaido
people say he´s the strongest creature,land,sea and air
He had the largest bounty around as a pirate in the post TS, and the only pirate with a higher bounty then him in the pre TS ducked him
You agree with all of that, since it was canonically in the manga, right?
It´s actually amazing how you can say so little of substance on any topic.
What did you debunk lol? That Oda doesn´t take titles seriously? You yourself believe that Loki is stronger then 2 title holders, one even confirmed by the narrator.
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What about Loki and Harald? Did Whitebeard earn his title as the strongest because he managed to defeat those 2, and every man in verse? Of course not. We don´t even know of him defeating anyone stronger then Rookie Crocodile, lol, and it´s implied that he got scarred by someone(either Roger,Shamrock or Garling), while not having been shown to do the opposite.
What did you debunk lol? That Oda doesn´t take titles seriously? You yourself believe that Loki is stronger then 2 title holders, one even confirmed by the narrator.
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What about Loki and Harald? Did Whitebeard earn his title as the strongest because he managed to defeat those 2, and every man in verse? Of course not. We don´t even know of him defeating anyone stronger then Rookie Crocodile, lol, and it´s implied that he got scarred by someone(either Roger,Shamrock or Garling), while not having been shown to do the opposite.
he retconned their titles since he had to introduce stronger characters as time went on
this can not happen to mihawk as he is required by the narrative to remain the strongest swordsman alive until zoro defeats him, and so no matter who they are and what they can do, no swordsman that is alive at the same time as mihawk will be above him
therefore his title is legit while whitebeard and kaido's titles aren't
simple
this can not happen to mihawk as he is required by the narrative to remain the strongest swordsman alive until zoro defeats him, and so no matter who they are and what they can do, no swordsman that is alive at the same time as mihawk will be above him
therefore his title is legit while whitebeard and kaido's titles aren't
simple
So you concede that as of the current meta, you don´t take the vast majority of titles seriously, as you understand that they´re ultimately built on fragile hearsay?
Except Kaido was also introduced as unbeatable until Luffy got to him(with Luffy overcoming him specifically emphasized as an achievement tied to him becoming the pirate king). Yet you yourself believe that there are others characters who ultimately could have done so, like Loki. So why should Mihawk be treated any differently? Being tied to Zoro is cool, but it doesn´t change the fact that if you concede that one title holder was never really legitimate(despite major narrative importance, literally the main villain of a 4 year long arc), there´s nothing really stopping newly introduced characters like Shamrock from being above Mihawk, lol? Do you believe that Mihawk will be the last character Zoro fights in the manga?
Except Kaido was also introduced as unbeatable until Luffy got to him(with Luffy overcoming him specifically emphasized as an achievement tied to him becoming the pirate king). Yet you yourself believe that there are others characters who ultimately could have done so, like Loki. So why should Mihawk be treated any differently? Being tied to Zoro is cool, but it doesn´t change the fact that if you concede that one title holder was never really legitimate(despite major narrative importance, literally the main villain of a 4 year long arc), there´s nothing really stopping newly introduced characters like Shamrock from being above Mihawk, lol? Do you believe that Mihawk will be the last character Zoro fights in the manga?