Powers & Abilities What is Roger´s greatest individual fighting feat ?
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I mean, sometimes they are lol? The PL of Harald and Loki doesn't seem like it was necessarily widely known. What we know is that everyone familiar with them holds them in high regard. Rocks, Gaban, Big Mom and even Imu seem to all hold them in high regard. Let's not forget that Gaban was picturing the world ending because of Harald, in that moment, he wasn't thinking the three title holders were enough to stop him, and Imu seems indifferent to the three title holders. Sure those three are strong, but it's not like they're on an untouchable pedestal.
Among the general public, yes. Among characters in the know? Big Mom believes that her daughter marrying Loki would create a force strong enough to crush not only those two, but also Shanks for a good measure, and I don't think we can seriously conclude that the average modern fodder giant who would be Ko'd by a Yonko's COC alone, who wouldn't even be able to injure the above three are going to make a serious difference.
Oda is on the older side now, do I think he's losing sleep thinking of powerscaling stuff? No, but I do think he's factoring it when he writes his story. I don't see how we get around the fact that the legendary battle between all the top pirates, God Valley, was essentially just used as a buildup for the day at the castle, where Loki killing Harald genuinely shook Imu, after we see him being indifferent to all the top pirates of the era. I'm honestly curious what an alternative interpretation of this would be
Among the general public, yes. Among characters in the know? Big Mom believes that her daughter marrying Loki would create a force strong enough to crush not only those two, but also Shanks for a good measure, and I don't think we can seriously conclude that the average modern fodder giant who would be Ko'd by a Yonko's COC alone, who wouldn't even be able to injure the above three are going to make a serious difference.
Oda is on the older side now, do I think he's losing sleep thinking of powerscaling stuff? No, but I do think he's factoring it when he writes his story. I don't see how we get around the fact that the legendary battle between all the top pirates, God Valley, was essentially just used as a buildup for the day at the castle, where Loki killing Harald genuinely shook Imu, after we see him being indifferent to all the top pirates of the era. I'm honestly curious what an alternative interpretation of this would be
Idk what other people ignore or not. My point is as simple as it sounds: Luffy was exhausted from fighting Kaido, Kaido was exhausted by fighting Luffy plus anyone else. Kaido being less tired would actually go along with what I'm saying, because it means Luffy was even further away from wearing him down alone.
Post Awakening, if they fought with similar exhaustion or no exhaustion at all, right now Luffy still has shit stamina in Gear 5. It'd be like vs Kizaru except what Kaido would feed him wouldn't taste very good.
This is splitting hairs: while Marineford itself came about as a spontaneous plot from Blackbeard, the death of Whitebeard wouldn't have been possible without all the fighting that happened before he showed up in the battle. There were almost 500 wounds to Whitebeard in total, it was considered death by accumulation of wounds and of course, Blackbeard is not known as the world's strongest man currently.
Ha! Clever find. Except this was not the right context. Whether or not you think he'd win, we know Shanks was completely serious about fighting everyone there.
Kaido meant to interfere in the war, btw. Ultimately Shanks drew his blade against both Whitebeard and Kaido to stop it from happening.
I never said wrong, I said different.
Post Awakening, if they fought with similar exhaustion or no exhaustion at all, right now Luffy still has shit stamina in Gear 5. It'd be like vs Kizaru except what Kaido would feed him wouldn't taste very good.
This is splitting hairs: while Marineford itself came about as a spontaneous plot from Blackbeard, the death of Whitebeard wouldn't have been possible without all the fighting that happened before he showed up in the battle. There were almost 500 wounds to Whitebeard in total, it was considered death by accumulation of wounds and of course, Blackbeard is not known as the world's strongest man currently.
Interesting, because the only one who mentioned saving face was Shanks.
The Marines were still capable of fighting, both Kizaru and Kuzan fired on Luffy while Shanks was there. If they wanted to fight, I don't know who would win.
Kaido meant to interfere in the war, btw. Ultimately Shanks drew his blade against both Whitebeard and Kaido to stop it from happening.
I never said wrong, I said different.
Well then we don't entirely disagree on that.
Luffy does suffer from a stamina weakness. I think Kaido's willingness to test him at his strongest would just end up with him getting Bajrang'd though.
Yes, and I said before; this came from the WG retaliating against WB trying to free Ace for the most part.
WB was the biggest threat by far so he got the most attention. But I still don't think, based on my memory of MF, that he was the top target. That would've been Ace (and for Akainu, Luffy too).
I don't disagree here either.
If they weren't willing to stand down, and after Kizaru and Kuzan fired upon Luffy, he would've fought.
But he made sure to give them the option of a ceasefire first. It seemed very clear to me that he was playing carrot and stick and was hoping for them to choose the carrot (ceasefire)
Honestly I doubt he'd have won. But it'd left Navy in bad shape, vulnerable to Kaido/BM and their armies, on top of fucking world balance even more and that's without considering his CD status.
So I can see why the Navy didn't want it either.
Yes, I'm aware. I'm reserving judgement until I learn what actually happened in that scene. Probably was a spar like he did with WB imho, I doubt it was as serious as say Punk Hazard Akainu v Kuzan.
Luffy does suffer from a stamina weakness. I think Kaido's willingness to test him at his strongest would just end up with him getting Bajrang'd though.
Yes, and I said before; this came from the WG retaliating against WB trying to free Ace for the most part.
WB was the biggest threat by far so he got the most attention. But I still don't think, based on my memory of MF, that he was the top target. That would've been Ace (and for Akainu, Luffy too).
I don't disagree here either.
If they weren't willing to stand down, and after Kizaru and Kuzan fired upon Luffy, he would've fought.
But he made sure to give them the option of a ceasefire first. It seemed very clear to me that he was playing carrot and stick and was hoping for them to choose the carrot (ceasefire)
Honestly I doubt he'd have won. But it'd left Navy in bad shape, vulnerable to Kaido/BM and their armies, on top of fucking world balance even more and that's without considering his CD status.
So I can see why the Navy didn't want it either.
Yes, I'm aware. I'm reserving judgement until I learn what actually happened in that scene. Probably was a spar like he did with WB imho, I doubt it was as serious as say Punk Hazard Akainu v Kuzan.
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The problem with you dumb cunts is that you think revelations to readers are revelations to the characters and the world they inhibit.
Loki led a crew of giants to sea 14 years ago. He had 8 years of pirating to get a 2.6 billion bounty. He was a known entity to the World Government.
In that time, there was never any doubt to the primacy of the Emperors. Never any doubt Whitebeard was the strongest mfer in the world or Kaidou the "Strongest Creature".
You had to be born stupid to think Oda gives a shit about retarded ass powerscaling. You barely qualify as intelligent life if you think anything has changed in the pecking order in regard to Roger and Whitebeard.
We don't need the definitive Roger flashback to know he was numero uno, though I have no doubt you cunts will be chirping different then.
The problem with you dumb cunts is that you think revelations to readers are revelations to the characters and the world they inhibit.
Loki led a crew of giants to sea 14 years ago. He had 8 years of pirating to get a 2.6 billion bounty. He was a known entity to the World Government.
In that time, there was never any doubt to the primacy of the Emperors. Never any doubt Whitebeard was the strongest mfer in the world or Kaidou the "Strongest Creature".
You had to be born stupid to think Oda gives a shit about retarded ass powerscaling. You barely qualify as intelligent life if you think anything has changed in the pecking order in regard to Roger and Whitebeard.
We don't need the definitive Roger flashback to know he was numero uno, though I have no doubt you cunts will be chirping different then.
Ok so we are far into one piece manga and unlike 15 years ago we now know what truly becoming king of pirates meant. World greatest explorer , who together with his crew ( after borrowing translator from Whitebeard ) found last island on grand line and was given symbolic title of pirate king by WG or Morgan news ( dont remember which one gave him that title ).
Manga moved beyond becoming pirate king which became just a side quest before taking on WG and Imu. Xebec ended up being what everyone expected Roger to be , outshining him as character disappointing many fans worldwide.
Now with better insight of what pirate king was about and looking into actual feats what is Roger best individual feat , something he did without his crew or help from Garp. Guy who could only fight to a tie Shiki or Whitebeard a mere underlings of Xebec . To make it worse he was never even portrayed as Xebec equal that role was given to Harald.
What is pushing some clouds on small ass island when clashing with WB his greatest feat ???
Are his fans desperate that much, that they do thickness scaling of Acoc lightning to claim his superiority over other characters ?
Discuss
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Manga moved beyond becoming pirate king which became just a side quest before taking on WG and Imu. Xebec ended up being what everyone expected Roger to be , outshining him as character disappointing many fans worldwide.
Now with better insight of what pirate king was about and looking into actual feats what is Roger best individual feat , something he did without his crew or help from Garp. Guy who could only fight to a tie Shiki or Whitebeard a mere underlings of Xebec . To make it worse he was never even portrayed as Xebec equal that role was given to Harald.
What is pushing some clouds on small ass island when clashing with WB his greatest feat ???
Are his fans desperate that much, that they do thickness scaling of Acoc lightning to claim his superiority over other characters ?
Discuss
@SakazOuki @Kurozumi Wiwi @The White Crane @Wuuuke @silverfire @scoobie3 @AkainuTheGrimReaper @Apollo @Admiral Mou Bu @ZenZu @Extravlad @haxxor @Blackbeard @Owl Ki @TheKnightOfTheSea @God Buggy @Sentinel @Tyki_Mikk @Veku @Sir Tuna Sandwich II @GoldDiamond @Dragon777 @Cadis Etrama Di Urek @Djordje @BaboonMihawk @Negan @RyoQ @DarkestKnightofSpoilers @[No Name] @King7 @Darkrai1381 @DarkWitch @Mr. Anderson @Paragorn @Blazing Lion @Nadel @Loki D. Terror @Hanzo hattori @The DevilMaster @Shimotsuki Fenaker @HA001 @Cruxroux @RayanOO @Ven437 @Jyg-Lyg @mly90 @kekaro @Reborn @mmd @SkySanji @Blax Blah @ConquistadoR @park_min young @Yoho @YonkoGodLuffy @sanjikun @Sentinel @Levi @Mathias @Blackbeard @Erkan12 @Blahmigooo @CoC: Color of Clowns @Definitivo @Zoinks52 @BoaHancocksHusband @Monkey D Theories
Sometimes. Not generally.
Sometimes it's not new at all.
Rayleigh is a famous, historical figure. We didn't know the most of the Strawhats knew about him until it was relevant.
This isn't in contention.
By his own admission, Gaban gets around. He likely understood what the Devil Fruit was.
Do you sincerely think Harald showed a level of power - immortality aside - he hadn't seen from Roger and Whitebeard?
Loki led a crew of giants. He had 8 years of piracy and a bounty of 2.6 billion.
I don't know what you insist in pretending this can be achieved without EVERYONE being in the know.
Big Mom saw the alliance with Elbaph as the difference maker. Marrying a daughter off meant she would get an alliance with a kingdom of giants. She never identified Loki as someone being worth it on his own. It was always about the kingdom.
There's no argument from me the average giant is unimpressive, but Oda insists otherwise. The World Government has coveted their strength and numbers for centuries. Whether Oda has sold us how valuable they are is a separate topic.
Oda does not care about powerscaling. He never has.
Characters are as strong as the plot requires them to be. That's the only thing that matters. Emperors ruled the New World because that's the story he wanted to tell. It involved them being the strongest pirates in the world.
Mihawk is explicitly identified as one of the rare few pirates on their level and linked to Shanks. Harald is another. Loki is no different, but he is clearly linked to Luffy.
All of them are likely stronger than past her prime Big Mom and sickly old Whitebeard, but that's about it.
Sometimes it's not new at all.
Rayleigh is a famous, historical figure. We didn't know the most of the Strawhats knew about him until it was relevant.
This isn't in contention.
By his own admission, Gaban gets around. He likely understood what the Devil Fruit was.
Do you sincerely think Harald showed a level of power - immortality aside - he hadn't seen from Roger and Whitebeard?
Loki led a crew of giants. He had 8 years of piracy and a bounty of 2.6 billion.
I don't know what you insist in pretending this can be achieved without EVERYONE being in the know.
Big Mom saw the alliance with Elbaph as the difference maker. Marrying a daughter off meant she would get an alliance with a kingdom of giants. She never identified Loki as someone being worth it on his own. It was always about the kingdom.
There's no argument from me the average giant is unimpressive, but Oda insists otherwise. The World Government has coveted their strength and numbers for centuries. Whether Oda has sold us how valuable they are is a separate topic.
Oda does not care about powerscaling. He never has.
Characters are as strong as the plot requires them to be. That's the only thing that matters. Emperors ruled the New World because that's the story he wanted to tell. It involved them being the strongest pirates in the world.
Mihawk is explicitly identified as one of the rare few pirates on their level and linked to Shanks. Harald is another. Loki is no different, but he is clearly linked to Luffy.
All of them are likely stronger than past her prime Big Mom and sickly old Whitebeard, but that's about it.
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"Bullying HK Harald" yet Harald regained his sense of self in the last few moments. "Special" bounty and it's only 2.6 billion
My brother just how far has your faith in Waido fallen
My brother just how far has your faith in Waido fallen