General & Others Next Straw Hat Crew Members and the Grand Fleet
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- Tags #c4ng2g carrot fans are still losers carrot haters are real losers seethe at the rabbit carrot is doing nothing because she doesn't matter carrot will never join the straw hats carrot's story never even began cry about carrot everyone else in the verse neg diffs the bunny imagine thinking stussy won't join its over furry bros keep the bunny on zou nobody else needs her let it go furry bros momo is breeding yamato no character is less relevant than carrot oden larper fans can't read stussy > carrot & yamato stussy supremacy who will be the next nakama of the week? yamato always had a better chance than carrot yamato story is over
I feel like there's subtle implications in Jarul's dialogue that the Nidhogg fruit can control his size. But it is a translation, its just funny Oda keeps flirting with it.
The Old Legend doesn't have any barring on Loki's character at present if anything what Oda has established in parallel between Harald/Rox and Loki/Luffy seems to be the course correction of fate. Loki will leave with Luffy because its character development that ties directly with his past inspirations.
Just like all the Strawhats.
The Old Legend doesn't have any barring on Loki's character at present if anything what Oda has established in parallel between Harald/Rox and Loki/Luffy seems to be the course correction of fate. Loki will leave with Luffy because its character development that ties directly with his past inspirations.
Just like all the Strawhats.
Nothing's really changed for me, Loki4Nakama still stands
Even now the PL argument isn't really a very convincing one for me because Oda doesn't even try to be consistent with that shit.
He will adjust the bar depending on what he wants to hype in the moment. Already spoken in depth on that in several other threads so won't regugitate that again. All I will say is that like Oda always does Oda is going to try to eat his cake and have it with Loki and mofos are gonna be crying about it by the end of the arc like this doesn't happen all the time.
Anyways PL-aside, @KidGinbe actually makes a very interesting point on Nidhogg's size changing capabilities which seem to be a characteristic trait of the DF. So Oda could potentially take advantage of this to fit Loki on the ship (i.e. mythical zoans don't have to be transformed to use their abilities) and you just know that he's going to milk chibi Loki and Ragnir to the gills for merchandise lol
Also keep in mind that Loki's already been invited to join the crew and Zoro and Sanji only rebuff to him joining was his size.
Even now the PL argument isn't really a very convincing one for me because Oda doesn't even try to be consistent with that shit.
He will adjust the bar depending on what he wants to hype in the moment. Already spoken in depth on that in several other threads so won't regugitate that again. All I will say is that like Oda always does Oda is going to try to eat his cake and have it with Loki and mofos are gonna be crying about it by the end of the arc like this doesn't happen all the time.
Anyways PL-aside, @KidGinbe actually makes a very interesting point on Nidhogg's size changing capabilities which seem to be a characteristic trait of the DF. So Oda could potentially take advantage of this to fit Loki on the ship (i.e. mythical zoans don't have to be transformed to use their abilities) and you just know that he's going to milk chibi Loki and Ragnir to the gills for merchandise lol
Also keep in mind that Loki's already been invited to join the crew and Zoro and Sanji only rebuff to him joining was his size.
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People said this exact same thing with every other failed Nakama candidate. That's why I said that.
Although, Loki joining doesn't even make any sense. He's far too important for the narrative to be boiled down to just another subordinate of Luffy's.
And the Wyper/Kyros archetype never joins anyway (though you can argue Loki is closer to Law in some ways). Only case was Franky, but he's far different from Loki.
Although, Loki joining doesn't even make any sense. He's far too important for the narrative to be boiled down to just another subordinate of Luffy's.
And the Wyper/Kyros archetype never joins anyway (though you can argue Loki is closer to Law in some ways). Only case was Franky, but he's far different from Loki.
If I understand correctly, you're saying folks made the argument that Yamato wasn't too strong to join? (correct me if I'm wrong)
If so I'm in agreement with that but that wasn't why she didn't join though.
Also, just for the record I never for a moment thought she was going to join the crew.
With regards to Loki being far too important to the narrative to become Luffy's subordinate, What exactly are you referring to when you say this? Moreover, why would Loki joining Luffy be any different from Harald joining Rocks for example? After all, Rocks wanted Harald to eat the Nidhogg fruit and then join his crew no?
If so I'm in agreement with that but that wasn't why she didn't join though.
Also, just for the record I never for a moment thought she was going to join the crew.
With regards to Loki being far too important to the narrative to become Luffy's subordinate, What exactly are you referring to when you say this? Moreover, why would Loki joining Luffy be any different from Harald joining Rocks for example? After all, Rocks wanted Harald to eat the Nidhogg fruit and then join his crew no?
To be fair to her, she really could join later, as the Oden equivalent. But even I'm not 100% certain of that.
Anyway, it's not just a matter of strength (though Loki is obviously way too strong to join right now), but also that Loki just doesn't give Straw Hat vibes. Even if the size issue was fixed, you'd also have to make Ragnir/Ratatoskr shorter to fit on the ship.
And Loki's probably not going to just abandon Elbaf when they're definitely going to love him and nominate him as the next king after this is all said and done. He's lived his whole life being treated as if he were some type of demon by almost everyone in Elbaf (even his own biological mother hated his guts), yet I'm supposed to believe he's just gonna have the people of Elbaf finally accept him and do nothing about that?
Yeah, no, this isn't happening at all. Say those things aren't an issue, for whatever reason, then what about him being the Nidhogg who's implied to be a direct parallel and equal to Luffy as well as a possible reincarnation/descendant of the god of Elbaf? Also the son of the strongest king in the history of Elbaf.
Do you REALLY think someone like that will play second fiddle to Luffy?
Anyway, it's not just a matter of strength (though Loki is obviously way too strong to join right now), but also that Loki just doesn't give Straw Hat vibes. Even if the size issue was fixed, you'd also have to make Ragnir/Ratatoskr shorter to fit on the ship.
And Loki's probably not going to just abandon Elbaf when they're definitely going to love him and nominate him as the next king after this is all said and done. He's lived his whole life being treated as if he were some type of demon by almost everyone in Elbaf (even his own biological mother hated his guts), yet I'm supposed to believe he's just gonna have the people of Elbaf finally accept him and do nothing about that?
Yeah, no, this isn't happening at all. Say those things aren't an issue, for whatever reason, then what about him being the Nidhogg who's implied to be a direct parallel and equal to Luffy as well as a possible reincarnation/descendant of the god of Elbaf? Also the son of the strongest king in the history of Elbaf.
Do you REALLY think someone like that will play second fiddle to Luffy?
You haven't really addressed your response to my intial post
Excerpt of my post:
This was in reference to the notion that "Loki is too strong to join".
Your response
What similarities does my statement have with Carrot4Nakama or Yamato4Nakama? Still not sure what you were inferring coz now you're saying strength doesn't matter.
That aside, on the final points you gave against Loki joining, you're making a shit ton of assumptions.
"direct parallel and equal to Luffy"? - where was this stated? (yes we know Nidhogg fought Nika in the past, fantastic and good hype for him but I'm blanking on the equals bit
"god of Elbaf?" - I get the feeling that you're implying that the "god of war" on Elbaf is the same type of god as nika but nothing of the sort has been stated. "god of war" can mean a lot of things and could simply be a title he got coz of his strenght and accomplishments akin to Ryuma on Wano is who is referred to as the "Sword Saint/God" who so happens to be Zoro's parallel who also so happens to be Luffy's subordinate by the way
Also you seem to be implying that said of "god of war" = Nika potrayal wise but said god of war is not who the giants worship and not who Loki was claiming to be, that's Nika. So there's a clear heirarchy there.
Anyways there's no denying that Loki is a major player with regards to the overarching plot of One Piece but the exact role is still a mystery. Regardless, I don't really see why whatever Loki's role is would be a deterent to him joining Luffy or why the term "Luffy's subordinate" is being treated in such a degoratory manner. Luffy's crew members are an excpetional bunch and Loki joining would not be the exception but the rule.
Excerpt of my post:
This was in reference to the notion that "Loki is too strong to join".
Your response
What similarities does my statement have with Carrot4Nakama or Yamato4Nakama? Still not sure what you were inferring coz now you're saying strength doesn't matter.
That aside, on the final points you gave against Loki joining, you're making a shit ton of assumptions.
"direct parallel and equal to Luffy"? - where was this stated? (yes we know Nidhogg fought Nika in the past, fantastic and good hype for him but I'm blanking on the equals bit
"god of Elbaf?" - I get the feeling that you're implying that the "god of war" on Elbaf is the same type of god as nika but nothing of the sort has been stated. "god of war" can mean a lot of things and could simply be a title he got coz of his strenght and accomplishments akin to Ryuma on Wano is who is referred to as the "Sword Saint/God" who so happens to be Zoro's parallel who also so happens to be Luffy's subordinate by the way
Also you seem to be implying that said of "god of war" = Nika potrayal wise but said god of war is not who the giants worship and not who Loki was claiming to be, that's Nika. So there's a clear heirarchy there.
Anyways there's no denying that Loki is a major player with regards to the overarching plot of One Piece but the exact role is still a mystery. Regardless, I don't really see why whatever Loki's role is would be a deterent to him joining Luffy or why the term "Luffy's subordinate" is being treated in such a degoratory manner. Luffy's crew members are an excpetional bunch and Loki joining would not be the exception but the rule.
It was mostly because that's just something people liked to say for older candidates, even though it didn't really make any sense. It was always vague statements like "This is what Oda always does and it'll be no different this time" and "Even if they're too strong, they won't be so strong that the Monster Trio can't surpass them in this arc". The latter isn't always incorrect, but in this case, both just don't work with Loki.
Anyway, the god of war isn't revered as much as Nika is, because Nika is a liberator, and the god of war isn't. Therefore, the god of war is less popular.
Despite that, the god of war wasn't said to have lost to Nika/Joyboy in their clash, and the Nidhogg fruit is also explicitly shown to be the antithesis to the Nika fruit in almost every way.
Luffy is white, Loki is black.
Luffy brings the dawn, Loki brings the dusk.
Luffy is constantly laughing and has a cartoonish, friendly look to him while Loki is dead serious and looks extremely menacing and cold.
And now both of them are heading towards Imu to fight him at the same time, similar to Law and Luffy going to fight Doffy or Law and Kidd going to fight Big Mom.
Loki is portrayed as the yang to Luffy's yin. He won't just be his subordinate as that misses the entire point.
This isn't to say it's BAD to be a subordinate of Luffy, but Loki specifically is not portrayed that way. He's not the Vivi of the arc, he's the Law of the arc.
Anyway, the god of war isn't revered as much as Nika is, because Nika is a liberator, and the god of war isn't. Therefore, the god of war is less popular.
Despite that, the god of war wasn't said to have lost to Nika/Joyboy in their clash, and the Nidhogg fruit is also explicitly shown to be the antithesis to the Nika fruit in almost every way.
Luffy is white, Loki is black.
Luffy brings the dawn, Loki brings the dusk.
Luffy is constantly laughing and has a cartoonish, friendly look to him while Loki is dead serious and looks extremely menacing and cold.
And now both of them are heading towards Imu to fight him at the same time, similar to Law and Luffy going to fight Doffy or Law and Kidd going to fight Big Mom.
Loki is portrayed as the yang to Luffy's yin. He won't just be his subordinate as that misses the entire point.
This isn't to say it's BAD to be a subordinate of Luffy, but Loki specifically is not portrayed that way. He's not the Vivi of the arc, he's the Law of the arc.
