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This distinction is a fantasy in this situation, since it all leads to the same result. Trump wanted limited strikes and reached out for a ceasefire, but Iran rejected that. They already said any attack will lead to a full-blown conflict which we are seeing now.
https://www.ynetnews.com/opinions-analysis/article/hylyslbfzx
https://www.ynetnews.com/opinions-analysis/article/hylyslbfzx
We literally fund Ukraine without toppling the putin regime? What exactly is fantastiscal about that?
Iran is losing sympathy with the gulf states and other arab allies. If anything this war is backfiring on them. Also I don't buy that Syria and Lybia are alot worse than Gaddafi's and Assad's civil war eras where weapons were being used against civilians. Reminder: Arab states lobbied the UN to stop Gaddafi
Iran is losing sympathy with the gulf states and other arab allies. If anything this war is backfiring on them. Also I don't buy that Syria and Lybia are alot worse than Gaddafi's and Assad's civil war eras where weapons were being used against civilians. Reminder: Arab states lobbied the UN to stop Gaddafi
still inaccurate most have of those who experienced civil war after independence/formation just had one
lost enough people to not try it again.
a smaller subset sudan, congo etc have prolonged wars but that isnt the norm even in the continent.
You werent. china deploying peace keeping troops was seen as a distinct change in foreign policy
for close to 40 years they mostly focused on internal affairs. death toll is another argument though I would agree.
lost enough people to not try it again.
a smaller subset sudan, congo etc have prolonged wars but that isnt the norm even in the continent.
You werent. china deploying peace keeping troops was seen as a distinct change in foreign policy
for close to 40 years they mostly focused on internal affairs. death toll is another argument though I would agree.
Yes, supporting Ukraine to maintain its existence. Its quite different from whats going on with Iran right now. Supporting people fight off a foreign invasion =/= being the foreign invasion.
Iran never had any sympathy for Gulf Arabs or vice versa. The goal of striking them is to deter them from keeping the US forces right across the gulf, because they have US bases and the US is striking Iran right now. Iran doesn't care since it sees this as an existential war.
And what the Arab states supported doesn't matter really, they fought a proxy war in Libya after Gaddafi's fall and the country doesn't really exist rn. Its a failed state with open air slave markets and high poverty.
Iran never had any sympathy for Gulf Arabs or vice versa. The goal of striking them is to deter them from keeping the US forces right across the gulf, because they have US bases and the US is striking Iran right now. Iran doesn't care since it sees this as an existential war.
And what the Arab states supported doesn't matter really, they fought a proxy war in Libya after Gaddafi's fall and the country doesn't really exist rn. Its a failed state with open air slave markets and high poverty.
But that is being anti isolationism. It's not always fight every single war
Their goal is clearly backfiring as they are now joining the war vs Iran. But I'm sure this was always MBS move anyways. He's been itching to get rid of Iran for awhile
As opposed to a failed state in a middle of several civil conflicts and on the verge of a genocide? Don't fall for the recent Ghaddafi propaganda, Libya was a failed state years before NATO intervened
Their goal is clearly backfiring as they are now joining the war vs Iran. But I'm sure this was always MBS move anyways. He's been itching to get rid of Iran for awhile
As opposed to a failed state in a middle of several civil conflicts and on the verge of a genocide? Don't fall for the recent Ghaddafi propaganda, Libya was a failed state years before NATO intervened
its not really just propaganda, there is a documented difference.
its instability escalated the migrant crisis in the last decade . its hard to envision consequences like that but its possible. will america be ready to take in asylees from iran following these month long attacks . its a valid question
its instability escalated the migrant crisis in the last decade . its hard to envision consequences like that but its possible. will america be ready to take in asylees from iran following these month long attacks . its a valid question
Lets see what they will do first. I doubt they will significantly do anything, else Iran may just strike the oil refineries. MBS clearly bought into the idea that this will be a Venezuela like situation where USA will finish the job shortly.
Lol no. It was an autocracy, but it was by no means a failed state. It was the number 1 in human development index in Africa, education and healthcare were free. They completed the world's largest irrigation system.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Man-Made_River
I say this as someone with relatives who were in Libya before 2011. Libya is still authoritarian now, but add that there is no security AND poor. Its not comparable.
Lol no. It was an autocracy, but it was by no means a failed state. It was the number 1 in human development index in Africa, education and healthcare were free. They completed the world's largest irrigation system.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Man-Made_River
I say this as someone with relatives who were in Libya before 2011. Libya is still authoritarian now, but add that there is no security AND poor. Its not comparable.
Nah, there's an actual documented rise in pro Ghadafi's post lately
That is true, but so did Syria's during Assad's regime, and also ISIS's rise. The refugee crisis was more than just libya lol.
Regime change always runs the gamble of displacing people, but again sometimes you take the risk when it's the morally correct thing to do.
Apparently Hezbolla got involved too. Maybe Julani goes for the kill?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Man-Made_River
Brother, one achievement doesn't take away from the fact that the country was falling apart lmao. Why do you think Ghaddafi was toppled to begin with? The first Libya civil war was a thing.
That is true, but so did Syria's during Assad's regime, and also ISIS's rise. The refugee crisis was more than just libya lol.
Regime change always runs the gamble of displacing people, but again sometimes you take the risk when it's the morally correct thing to do.
Apparently Hezbolla got involved too. Maybe Julani goes for the kill?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Man-Made_River
Brother, one achievement doesn't take away from the fact that the country was falling apart lmao. Why do you think Ghaddafi was toppled to begin with? The first Libya civil war was a thing.
If this war goes on and Iran regime change do happen then it might swing votes in favor of Trump.
Iran's hostility towards USA is well known fact. Would it be enough for Trump? Who knows
As I said earlier, during such crisis, many people switch to patriotic identity. Not to mention the recency bias.
Domestically, this war isn't about keeping media away from Epstein files but to influence mid term elections and if Iran surrenders then it favors Trump.
Iran's hostility towards USA is well known fact. Would it be enough for Trump? Who knows
As I said earlier, during such crisis, many people switch to patriotic identity. Not to mention the recency bias.
Domestically, this war isn't about keeping media away from Epstein files but to influence mid term elections and if Iran surrenders then it favors Trump.
This is what I was saying yesterday.
US doesn't give a shit about regime and oppression of Iranian people. It's all about it's own strategic interests. The primary reason behind military intervention was nuclear deal.
If trump really thought that Iran is Venezuela 2.0 and killing Khamenei would result into collapse of the regime and make them surrender then he's even dumber than I imagined.
US doesn't give a shit about regime and oppression of Iranian people. It's all about it's own strategic interests. The primary reason behind military intervention was nuclear deal.
If trump really thought that Iran is Venezuela 2.0 and killing Khamenei would result into collapse of the regime and make them surrender then he's even dumber than I imagined.
