Spoiler One Piece Chapter 1176 Spoilers Discussion

[MegaSpider]

Oda should move the M3 fights to each section of Elbaf. It's too crowded in the middle.

Sanji vs Killingham in Underworld
Zoro vs Sommers in Earth realm
Luffy + Loki + Brooke vs Imunko in Heaven realm

 

[Welkin]

we could have easily had the cake and ate it too

cause it's the literal final villain that is the arc villain. So shp could have easily written to be the underdogs

But oda didn't go that route. He instead decided to undermine the final villain by making the DR giant captains that the final villain bragged about turning, revert back without any actual intervention from the shp at all.

That eviscerated all of imu's aura, while still making the shp look like frauds because they didn't cause it at all.

You say they could’ve been written as underdogs but the complaints would’ve filed in all the same lol

And the thing is I know you’ve seen them. Final villain + Holy Knights but the Strawhats were slandered left right and center for not having the upper hand against them

Mickey Hats, dollar store Yonko crew, frauds, etc

As if I’m supposed to believe Cracker and Smoothie would perform much better. My point is that a lot of the complaints are illogical and a chunk of the fandom will never be satisfied with anything

Though I don’t think Oda should cater to them anyway. With Loki showing up I’d say the odds should’ve started to lean in the SH’s favor but maybe not as fast

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

@Doggo is saying that you need to form your opinion after seeing raws and reading the chapter. Pew often to makes mistakes in his summaries or generalizes and we go like 2-3 days thinking its something Oda is doing direclty.

Like for example (im guessing) it is possible DR and being knocked out of it depends on the strength of the person being controlled.

For someone like Rocks, he becomes so strong that Garp and Roger needed to work together undo DR and kill Rocks (temporarily) but that leaves them all in powerless state in the end.

For Dorry and Broggy, they are clearly weaker than Rocks, and are of equal footing. We know they basically can kill each other equally, so when it happens it makes sense.

Now as to how they recover and continue fighting idk, but im going to wait for the chapter before I judge it personally

I just never saw the point of this whole thing if they could break out that easily. It's not even solely about justifying them breaking out.

 

[Johnny B. Decent]

LOda this chapter: Oh you can break Domi Reversi and return people to normal by killing them.
LOda during the GV FB: Xebec killed his family and there is nothing he couldve done to save them.

@Johnny B. Decent defend this one please.

I did, prior. They're average people and he was the strongest man in the world and not holding back.

So had he held back, ironically, they may have survived.

 

[thisnewtechnique]

Fully recovered...
I hope thiis part is false and leaker got smth wrong, otherwise man...

Because this, then... Doesn't make any fucking sense.

1) Roger and Garp turned the domi reverse off on Rocks

2) Rocks is hiding somewhere

 

[Kurozumi Wiwi]

What’s the difference? I have no problem with people critiquing OP I mean I do it myself all the time

But certain things like this always confuse me because it feels like the logic changes

The community wants to have its cake and eat it too. They want tension and stakes but if the Strawhats are the underdogs or simply don’t have the upper hand then they complain (“fake Yonko crew”, Mickey Hats, etc)

But if they do have the upper hand then it’s also a problem because the villains are no longer threatening. So which one is it

Usually when people complaint about SHs being too weak it's about non-M3 being useless. Oda tension is shit because he's afraid to make truly competent villains so tension only exist because of PIS or M3 being absent

 

[Paperchampion23]

Maybe the weaker the vessel is the weaker Imus powers are.

It technically makes sense. Dorry and Broggy only need to be as strong as each other to knock each other out of it after being tricked by Zoro it seems.

With Xebec, you needed Roger and Garp together.

It is still fundamentally a broken power, but it depends on who its being used on. I do just dislike the lack of consequences of it. I think the regen is fine once knocked out, but maybe Dorry and Broggy should be essentially knocked out right now.

That would be consistent with what happened to Rocks at least.

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

This is a basic thing for storytelling. The fact I'm laughed at for wanting it to be in this story shows how far Oda's fallen.

 

[Fujishiro]

I did, prior. They're average people and he was the strongest man in the world and not holding back.

So had he held back, ironically, they may have survived.

What.

 

[ice-flo]

Fully recovered...
I hope thiis part is false and leaker got smth wrong, otherwise man...

Because this, then... Doesn't make any fucking sense.

When Lebec killed his family he didn’t stop till they stop breathing, so even if they turned back to normal Lebec just killed them anyways.

As for Lebec himself he was exhausted from fighting roger and garp so he couldn’t even move his own body.
I think it’s most likely referring to thier body returning to normal state ,like dory brogy slashed eachother in domi reverse state but when domi reversi effects are removed their slashed body went back to being normal.

 

[kekaro]

See this new lore on DR makes me think its more likely for DR loki

Same

 

[Fujishiro]

It technically makes sense. Dorry and Broggy only need to be as strong as each other to knock each other out of it after being tricked by Zoro it seems.

With Xebec, you needed Roger and Garp together.

It is still fundamentally a broken power, but it depends on who its being used on. I do just dislike the lack of consequences of it. I think the regen is fine once knocked out, but maybe Dorry and Broggy should be essentially knocked out right now.

That would be consistent with what happened to Rocks at least.

What I actually dislike is how Dorry and Broggy regained their senses whereas fucking Xebec couldnt and was using his inner voice to beg Roger and Garp to kill him, unable to resist Imus power.

 

[Paperchampion23]

I just never saw the point of this whole thing if they could break out that easily. It's not even solely about justifying them breaking out.

See my comment to @Fujishiro. Killing the user depends on how strong the user is. The spoiler says that. Its why Rocks was far harder to deal with otherwise. Dorry and Broggy are equal to each other and can kill each other. Even the healing/returning to normal state part is fine because thats also what happened to Rocks.

The problem is that unlike Rocks they can continue fighting. That the part Im not getting.

 

[Kurozumi Wiwi]

Usually when people complaint about SHs being too weak it's about non-M3 being useless. Oda tension is shit because he's afraid to make truly competent villains so tension only exist because of PIS or M3 being absent

Also nobody complained about Straw Hats not defeating the Gorosei at the end of Egghead because M3 were powerless too.

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

What.

He said *had* he held back

 

[Johnny B. Decent]

What.

Like, you know, using the flat end of his sword?

There's also a good question if DR is finite or not, like a time limit to how long someone can be demonized in the first place.

So, he could have just knocked them outa sn maybe they would have lived. Which is pretty fucked up.

 

[Fujishiro]

Oh I misread @Johnny B. Decent so like they are still DRed to this day?

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

See my comment to @Fujishiro. Killing the user depends on how strong the user is. The spoiler says that. Its why Rocks was far harder to deal with otherwise. Dorry and Broggy are equal to each other and can kill each other. Even the healing/returning to normal state part is fine because thats also what happened to Rocks.

No.
I mean, why possess them if they're just going to get the possession undone so fast? What was the whole point of it?
Very, very cheap "tension".

 

[Topi Jerami]

Dragon Loki defeating MMA fodders
"Omg he is God Tier!!!"

Then land Jinbe and Franky (with a bit of power up) replicating what Dragon Loki exactly did last chapter 😭
So much for him being God Tier @Sentinel @Elder Lee Hung @Tyki_Mikk @Loki D. Terror

 

[Johnny B. Decent]

Oh I misread @Johnny B. Decent so like they are still DRed to this day?

Let me try this in RPG terminology.

In Baldur's Gate III, some of the Absolutist Acolytes have a spell called Death Ward, which stops them from being killed by an attack, leaving them at 1 HP.

Basically, his attack did that...but kept going and killed them after it wore off, in the same attack.