Chapter Discussion One Piece Chapter 1176: WITH GREAT PRIDE

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Ever noticed this?

Whenever a new top tier shows up, who do people compare them to?

Not Katakuri.
Not Doflamingo.
Not Kizaru.
Not the Gorosei.

It’s almost always… Kaido.

If he was already “powercliffed,” why is he still the benchmark?

When Loki appears, nobody says “Is he above Katakuri?”
They say, “Is he above Kaido?”

At some point you’ve gotta ask —
do people subconsciously see Kaido as the strongest standard in the series?

He wasn’t just an arc villain. He was a raid boss.


So why is Kaido still the measuring stick? :PepeReport:
 
On the cover page, the Strawhats are surrounded by GOLD! Coins from heaven! Symbolizing Enel's return from the Moon, perhaps? Also, there's another one of those crosses right at Luffy's feet, which seems like it's probably going to be important later. You can see a bottle of booze in the treasure pile, too. Booze...or sake, perhaps? Plus, a skeleton with a eyepatch! We FINALLY get to see the long-promised pirate with a eyepatch! And he's dead. Is that Joyboy, Davy Jones, or someone else? These three things are probably more important than they look! They form the foundations that the Strawhats travel on. They probably all represent the past that lead them here, in different ways! Or maybe I'm reading too much into it! We'll see!

The fact that Oda's author message this chapter doesn't even bother to mention that he just dropped the real-life One Piece into the ocean this week is such a low-key power move.

Lilith reveals that Vegapunk's hover technology works on Elbaph. Because Elbaph is "teeming with energy". Huh. Well, that's a unexpected reveal. Something about Elbaph makes the island similar to the artificial environment Vegapunk created on Egghead. Maybe because of that 3000 year old lab on the island? Or maybe because of the Tree? Or something that's in the Heaven/Astral Realm? It seems like this was probably the case even before Loki started shooting off thunderbolts all over the place.

Bonney sitting atop Franky's head is cute. That is all.

Usopp canonically reveals that Loki does dwarf Kaido. We pretty much already knew that, but it's a good thing someone pointed it out, so we know it's intentional, and not just Oda failing to think about scale, again.

Aww...Robin's worried about Saul. She JUST got him back, too!

Nami tries to put out the fire burning the Library down with Zeus! Which is fair enough I suppose. But, he's no match against a Nightmare Lindwyrm! That's new. Another "dragon" subspecies. Interesting. Apparently, according to real-life legend, anything that it rests upon will grow. So, if it sits on a pile of treasure, more treasure will grow around it. Neat! Not relevant to THIS story, at all. But, still, neat!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lindworm

But, the power of SCIENCE trumps all! Well...SCIENCE and a deus ex machina. Floating discs that can absorb all the heat in a area, freezing everything around it. I guess that was probably used to make sure Vegapunk's new body stayed frozen? I guess Vegapunk needed to start thawing out, anyway. You always need to remember to leave time to thaw out your Vegapunk, before you start preparing him.

And I guess Lilith can literally bottle the flames she absorbed into...Super Vega-Cola! Franky's getting a upgrade! It's a arc late, but I'll take it!

Find a girl who looks at you, the way Lilith looks at her new science experiment....I mean, Franky. You might not live long, but what a way to go!

"A new world can only be born by severing things like history!" Huh. That's a interesting thing to say. Oddly philosophical, really. And...not necessarily evil, I'll point out. Hold onto to old grudges and wrongs from the past can make you unable to move forward. There may be a legitimate reason why they're trying to erase history.

Qilingham hates Fishmen. I'm not sure if that's supposed to be ironic, since HE may be part-Fishman, given his teeth, or not. Or Qilingham's just something else.

Did someone order a COMBO MEAL?! Qilingham gets stuck in the middle of a three-way attack with Franky, Jinbe, and Sanji ALL wanting a piece of him! There definitely seems to be a running theme with the last few chapters. First, Garp and Roger needed to work together to take down Reversi'd Rocks. Then Loki and Ragnir work together to defeat Harald. Then Gerd, Road, and Goldberg worked together to defeat Nightmare Nika. Then Luffy and Loki worked together to defeat Sommers. Now this? Combo attacks seem like a key way to take down the God's Knights. Could this be...LOVE? Maybe?

So, it seems like there still IS some of the old Dorry and Brogy left in there! Enough to fight back and...cut off each other's heads?! Okay, well...it's not the most well thought-out plan in the world. But, I like the spirit of it! Does this count as them dying with smiles on their faces? And murdering each other...turns them back to normal? Huh. So, you just need to cut off their heads, in order to break the Reversi?

Wow...Oda found a way to make fakeout deaths a key plot point in the story. I just....*CLAPS* I have to respect that, honestly. I have to respect doubling down like that. Well played, Oda.

Well...I guess Garp and Roger should have had a SWORDSMAN fight Rocks, instead, huh? Too bad Rayleigh was too busy with Shakky at the time. Then they could have saved Rocks! But, wait, if killing someone undoes the Reversi AND heals your body...that doesn't quite line up with what we saw with Rocks. Rocks got turned back to normal, I guess by Garp and Roger literally killing him. But, he was still wounded after getting turned back, allowing Garling to take the finishing blow. Unless it NEEDS to be a headshot that does it? I feel like this should be a SBS question. Why did Rocks not get "healed" after he got un-Reveri'd? Unless Garp and Roger's combo attack was just SO STRONG that it nearly killed Rocks literally twice? Which...yeah, that might end up being Oda's answer, but I still want to know, officially!

And EVERYBODY'S kinda into the idea of killing their friends to turn them back. Giants (and Zoro) are kind of scary. First being willing to eat people, now looking forward to the chance to kill all their friends, consequence free? Yeah, I guess there's a reason why having the Giants on your side can turn the tide of a war.

So, Qilingham and Sommers are both "eliminated", at least for the moment. So, focus SHOULD really shift to Imu-nko, now. Too bad there's a break next week. Oh well. Next time we might be in for some good, old-fashioned ultra-violence, one way or another.
 
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呪のろいの王
Ever noticed this?

Whenever a new top tier shows up, who do people compare them to?

Not Katakuri.
Not Doflamingo.
Not Kizaru.
Not the Gorosei.

It’s almost always… Kaido.

If he was already “powercliffed,” why is he still the benchmark?

When Loki appears, nobody says “Is he above Katakuri?”
They say, “Is he above Kaido?”

At some point you’ve gotta ask —
do people subconsciously see Kaido as the strongest standard in the series?

He wasn’t just an arc villain. He was a raid boss.


So why is Kaido still the measuring stick? :PepeReport:
they only ones who do this are literally the kaido dick riders.....

kaido was/is the single top tier that we saw in their prime go all out, outside of that bum lihawk against luffy...

no one has seen primebeard, roger, garp or any admiral/yonko go all out.....even BM was holding back even though we saw a lot from her in wano....

ffs can you go back to grammar school and relearn context
 
Ever noticed this?

Whenever a new top tier shows up, who do people compare them to?

Not Katakuri.
Not Doflamingo.
Not Kizaru.
Not the Gorosei.

It’s almost always… Kaido.

If he was already “powercliffed,” why is he still the benchmark?

When Loki appears, nobody says “Is he above Katakuri?”
They say, “Is he above Kaido?”

At some point you’ve gotta ask —
do people subconsciously see Kaido as the strongest standard in the series?

He wasn’t just an arc villain. He was a raid boss.


So why is Kaido still the measuring stick? :PepeReport:
What do you mean always? That was the first time. Not to mention Kizaru, who was manhandling Luffy while restricted, said he can tell that Luffy is the man who defeated Kaido. Lol.

Loki was compared to Kaido specifically because he is an upgraded version. A much larger, ancient giant with a superior Dragon fruit. Wouldn't make much sense to compare him to Kizaru.

Baby Seraphims durability was also compared to Kaido by Luffy, yes, but again, very specific, referring to renowned stats
 

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呪のろいの王
What do you mean always? That was the first time. Not to mention Kizaru, who was manhandling Luffy while restricted, said he can tell that Luffy is the man who defeated Kaido. Lol.

Loki was compared to Kaido specifically because he is an upgraded version. A much larger, ancient giant with a superior Dragon fruit. Wouldn't make much sense to compare him to Kizaru.
rEsTriCteD......

stfu
 
oda loves to take tension and stakes and rip it out of the manga .. what could have been a cool moment for dorry and brogy got ruined. this manga is cookie dough it so safe and disney like who actually dies??
No one really though that dorry and brogy would have died.
I mean Oda has been killing more people since the time skip but he was not going now bring them back to kill them off.
Wano has the highest kill count but people that get kill people not really care about lol.
 
Zoro looking great this chapter.

I gotta say though, I'm annoyed by the idiots assuming Zoro is now fighting Sommers. I think Sommers is done for this arc. Zoro will fight someone else and Imu still has cards to play that none of you see coming.
Zoro is leading the giants the giants want revenge against imu rooftop 2.0 incoming
 
What do you mean always? That was the first time. Not to mention Kizaru, who was manhandling Luffy while restricted, said he can tell that Luffy is the man who defeated Kaido. Lol.

Loki was compared to Kaido specifically because he is an upgraded version. A much larger, ancient giant with a superior Dragon fruit. Wouldn't make much sense to compare him to Kizaru.

Baby Seraphims durability was also compared to Kaido by Luffy, yes, but again, very specific, referring to renowned stats
When was Kizaru manhandling Luffy or restricted vs him lmao.
That fight was so much trash if you could even call it that .
Cat and mouse game that did not even matter where both fighters not even hold any real damage that matter .
 
Ngl I hate Loki´s DF because of this. I can barely imagine how Oda is going to deal with his size generally, but seeing a DF Loki clash with a human is just going to be cringe.
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At the very least, Kishi wasn´t bad with dealing with scale or drawing the tailedy beasts fighting.
Even though I agree with Kishimoto being much better at scale I don't believe Loki is ever getting any 1 vs 1 with a normal sized human tbh.
I expect Imu to have a huge monstruous form, and even if Loki were to be DR Luffy can gigantify himself and turn his limbs even bigger(Bajrang Gun).
There was a chance Zoro/Sanji could fight DR Dorry/Broggy but people said it wouldn't work because of the size difference, turn out they were right.
Oda l designed Loki knowing who would be his future opponents considering we're in the final saga.
 
Ngl I hate Loki´s DF because of this. I can barely imagine how Oda is going to deal with his size generally, but seeing a DF Loki clash with a human is just going to be cringe.

At the very least, Kishi wasn´t bad with dealing with scale or drawing the tailed beasts fighting.
Well, I mean, if you are talking about hybrid, we have seen maybe not worse, but similar:





Other recent examples:


And so on, I mean.
We have seen plenty of little men vs big adversaries.

If you mean Full animal, yes, I don't think we will ever see a human clashing with that, but humans are capable of very big attacks, island-size sometimes, and so that changes things:








Etc.
 
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