Fanclub The V̶i̶n̶s̶m̶o̶k̶e̶ Sanji FC: The Prince of love

[Rumble]

Use Occams Razor dude. Why show Sanjis eyebrows change back to normal after the Queen fight if not to show Sanjis going back to normal? His brothers have always has them pointing to the right but Sanji is different. And His personality hasnt really changed with his eyebrows. He was talking about the Power of love to S Shark and Kizaru with his eyebrows pointing to the right like his brothers. So it MUST show his exo activating

Not only is there no evidence the Germa upgrades are toggled on and off, there is evidence that they're not.

We have explanations of the genetic modifications from Judge and Yonji.

We've seen Sanji outpace lasers without his eyebrow turned.

We've seen Sanji use Ifrit without his eyebrow turned twice now, The first did not get corrected in the volume.

We've seen Sanji shake off a kick from Kizaru and attack from Saturn unguarded, as well Nusjuro biting him.

I'm looking at the wider context. It's not for you tell me about Occam's Razor, it's for you to do same.

 

[Royal Kick]

Use Occams Razor dude. Why show Sanjis eyebrows change back to normal after the Queen fight if not to show Sanjis going back to normal? His brothers have always have them pointing to the right but Sanji is different. And His personality hasnt really changed with his eyebrows. He was talking about the Power of love to S Shark and Kizaru with his eyebrows pointing to the right like his brothers. So it MUST show his exo activating.

Yeah, what Sora did allows him to have complete control over his genes. Rather than a natural and passive feature of his body, he can command his brain to have his exo be physically expressed or not, it's basically just like moving or talking.

Even certain animals have the ability to edit their genetic information at will to adapt to their environment.

 

[JJtheman]

Not only is there no evidence the Germa upgrades are toggled on and off, there is evidence that they're not.

We have explanations of the genetic modifications from Judge and Yonji.

We've seen Sanji outpace lasers without his eyebrow turned.

We've seen Sanji use Ifrit without his eyebrow turned twice now, The first did not get corrected in the volume.

We've seen Sanji shake off a kick from Kizaru and attack from Saturn unguarded, as well Nusjuro biting him.

I'm looking at the wider context. It's not for you tell me about Occam's Razor, it's for you to do same.

Assuming Sanji has to have the Exoskeleton to archive incredible feats is underselling both his speed and strength in base. Pre ts strawhats like Sanji were tanking lasers penetrating their body, why is a light speed kick any different? Luffy was blitzing pacifista lasers in base post ts. This just shows how incredibly strong Sanji is and that he has many levels. What You are saying is making him look entirely dependent on the genes. Also You didnt address the fact his personality is the same with the eyebrows turned or not. So the change they represent must be physical not mental or at least mostly physical. This is common sense.

 

[Royal Kick]

Sanji's eyebrow was reversed when he kicked Kizaru's laser.

 

[JJtheman]

Sanji's eyebrow was reversed when he kicked Kizaru's laser.

This was a feat combining his Exoskeleton and His haki.

 

[Royal Kick]

This was a feat combining his Exoskeleton and His haki.

PoL was likely a factor too imo. Neither the exo nor haki can explain how he physically interacted with light, that only explains how he didn't get hurt.

 

[JJtheman]

PoL was likely a factor too imo. Neither the exo nor haki can explain how he physically interacted with light, that only explains how he didn't get hurt.

He mentioned the PoL when he blocked S Shark and when he deflected the light beam.

 

[Rumble]

Assuming Sanji has to have the Exoskeleton to archive incredible feats is underselling both his speed and strength in base.

I didn't say Sanji needs the exoskeleton for speed.

Are you forgetting Sanji got other upgrades beside that? Germa modification boosted him across the board.

Pre ts strawhats like Sanji were tanking lasers penetrating their body, why is a light speed kick any different?

Pre-TS Sanji was surviving* getting shot with a laser.

No one has demonstrated the ability to outright tank Kizaru's lasers besides G5 Luffy.

There's clear indication Kizaru didn't expect Sanji to get back up so quickly.

Why are you ignoring the other examples?

uffy was blitzing pacifista lasers in base post ts. This just shows how incredibly strong Sanji is and that he has many levels. What You are saying is making him look entirely dependent on the genes.

No, but what this comment makes clear is that your objections aren't rooted in substance, but insecurity over how Sanji is perceived.

Also You didnt address the fact his personality is the same with the eyebrows turned or not. So the change they represent must be physical not mental or at least mostly physical.

I literally did address it. I said there is evidencde the eyebrow flip is indicative of a psychological change, not a physical one.

Again, see the difference between Sanji's use of Ifrit in 1127 and then again in 1129. He was angry in the first, the wasn't in the second.

This was a feat combining his Exoskeleton and His haki.

No it wasn't. Haki can't block or destroy lasers.

It was a Power of Love feat. PoL is not Haki.

The only other alternative is Sanji's inherent Germa ability having to do with light manipulation.

 

[Raiden7]

Not only is there no evidence the Germa upgrades are toggled on and off, there is evidence that they're not.

We have explanations of the genetic modifications from Judge and Yonji.

We've seen Sanji outpace lasers without his eyebrow turned.

We've seen Sanji use Ifrit without his eyebrow turned twice now, The first did not get corrected in the volume.

We've seen Sanji shake off a kick from Kizaru and attack from Saturn unguarded, as well Nusjuro biting him.

I'm looking at the wider context. It's not for you tell me about Occam's Razor, it's for you to do same.

Yeah, what Sora did allows him to have complete control over his genes. Rather than a natural and passive feature of his body, he can command his brain to have his exo be physically expressed or not, it's basically just like moving or talking.

Even certain animals have the ability to edit their genetic information at will to adapt to their environment.

I was also on the "activation of exoskeleton through eyebrow" thing too initially. But now I really think it is permanent. The fact that in the volume the eyebrow was not "fixed" it means that it was legit even when the single chapter was released (I didn't check it for now, I'll trust rumble on that).

I guess the eyebrow flip truly means that something else is going on and yes, the only explanation I can come with is Sanji getting more evil and talking about "executions", "death" and that sort of things.

 

[Rumble]

I was also on the "activation of exoskeleton through eyebrow" thing too initially. But now I really think it is permanent. The fact that in the volume the eyebrow was not "fixed" it means that it was legit even when the single chapter was released (I didn't check it for now, I'll trust rumble on that).

I guess the eyebrow flip truly means that something else is going on and yes, the only explanation I can come with is Sanji getting more evil and talking about "executions", "death" and that sort of things.

I think the flip is indicative of heightened emotions, for good or bad.

We saw Sanji angrily manhandling S-Shark on his own while his crewmates were going 2v1.

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The flip only happened when Sanji protected Nami and latter Bonney. Both times he seemed rather calm.

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When he attacked Nusjuro, his eyebrow was back to normal.

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He tanked his horse bite without the eyebrow flipped also. In fact, it didn't seem to do any damage at all.

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[Raiden7]

I think the flip is indicative of heightened emotions, for good or bad.

We saw Sanji angrily manhandling S-Shark on his own while his crewmates were going 2v1.

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The flip only happened when Sanji protected Nami and latter Bonney. Both times he seemed rather calm.

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When he attacked Nusjuro, his eyebrow was back to normal.

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He tanked his horse bite without the eyebrow flipped also. In fact, it didn't seem to do any damage at all.

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Yes, seems like Sanji still is able to restrain himself. Maybe Killingham really could be the factor that will shake up Sanji's mind.

Always assuming the eyebrow flip has something to do with Sanji state of mind. Which, again, seems like a reasonable way of thinking.

 

[Royal Kick]

I was also on the "activation of exoskeleton through eyebrow" thing too initially. But now I really think it is permanent. The fact that in the volume the eyebrow was not "fixed" it means that it was legit even when the single chapter was released (I didn't check it for now, I'll trust rumble on that).

I guess the eyebrow flip truly means that something else is going on and yes, the only explanation I can come with is Sanji getting more evil and talking about "executions", "death" and that sort of things.

It didn't seem to make him more evil against Queen, or when he deflected Kizaru's laser. It's not a coincidence his eyebrow was back to normal right after defeating Queen, when he was done using IJ.

The fact it wasn't corrected in the volume release doesn't mean much, considering it's such a tiny detail that's very easy to miss, really. The guys who correct those mistakes have to notice them in the first place. I'm not even sure they know how Sanji's exo is supposed to work.

 

[Raiden7]

It didn't seem to make him more evil against Queen, or when he deflected Kizaru's laser. It's not a coincidence his eyebrow was back to normal right after defeating Queen, when he was done using IJ.

The fact it wasn't corrected in the volume release doesn't mean much, considering it's such a tiny detail that's very easy to miss, really. The guys who correct those mistakes have to notice them in the first place. I'm not even sure they know how Sanji's exo is supposed to work.

It could be like you're saying but we can also say that it is a process still in act. In some instances, when the eybrow is flipped, seems like Sanji is not that "evil". It could be that it's like going through some phases before Sanji evil side will rise completely. Only then the eyebrow flipped will be the visual cue that Sanji is really on his evil side.

I remember Oda sbs about Sanji and his eyebrow, he said "focus on it" or something like that. I hope the explanation will come sooner or later. Before that we're like in a limbo, no one is right and no one is wrong completely.

 

[Rumble]

Yes, seems like Sanji still is able to restrain himself. Maybe Killingham really could be the factor that will shake up Sanji's mind.

Always assuming the eyebrow flip has something to do with Sanji state of mind. Which, again, seems like a reasonable way of thinking.

As much as I like the idea of Sanji dominating a Seraphim mano y mano and while crewmates were teaming up, it just makes more sense the Germa upgrades are the new base.

As for Killingham - he manifests fears.

We know Sanji is afraid of bugs, but even more so harming women and losing himself.

If I had my delerious dream:

A vengeful version of Red Leg Zeff AND Stealh Black Vinsmoke Sanji will be manifested to fight him 2v1.

 

[MegaSpider]

Right now Elbafs Earthrealm is too crowded.

Luffy's fight will likely go to the Heaven realm.
Zoro's in Earthrealm with the giants and Sommers.
Sanji and Killingham should take their fight to the Underworld.

 

[Hiragaro]

② Sanji once again using the word "Sin" and passing judgement onto Kiringham

Sanji is becoming the “Judge“

 

[Sir Yasheen]

Sanji is becoming the “Judge“

Sanjis next fire will be “Satan Jambe”

 

[kekaro]

③ Devil Shiloutte in Chapter 1175 right after Sanji saved Robin
Right after Sanji saved Robin and spoke about the massive roar and shilouette there was a shilouette that looked like a devil.
I know this could be argued as simply being a Domi Revsersi giant and could very well be but iirc the domi-reversi giants are not in the direction of the children, it was the mmas so it felt off to me so maybe that is another foreshadowing.

good catch

 

[PuckTheGreat]

On the eyebrow ting, don't think Sanji is using Ifrit if his eyebrows are not flipped.
When the M3 defeated the Cat/Lion zoan at the start of the arc, Sanji used Ifrit and his eyebrow was flipped.
When he and Zoro destroyed the net Road cast to try to capture the SHs at the begining of the arc, his eyebrow wasn't flipped but he didn't name the attack

So given there is a scenario where Sanji is using Ifrit with his eyebrow flipped I think if he's using Ifrit without it then it is either a mistake or Oda mistakenly named Diable Jambe, Ifrit Jambe.

 

[Rumble]

When he and Zoro destroyed the net Road cast to try to capture the SHs at the begining of the arc, his eyebrow wasn't flipped but he didn't name the attack

It was Ifrit.

You can very clearly see the sparks flowing from the flame.

Oda didn't correct it in volume release, and the eyebrow being flipped is something he does pay attention to.

The only difference is Sanji's mood.