Versus Battle Loki (One Piece) vs Ten tails (Naruto)

[Sentinel]

Didn’t the SHs travel all around Alabasta in like a week or less on camelback?

No, it was from a city to another one. The entire travel time throughout Alabasta probably lasted a few weeks.

In some SBS oda confirmed that the OP planet is called the blue planet, and it seems to clearly just be the earth(there´s no saint ¨earth¨ for a reason, as is Naruto´s planet.

Yes, it is the earth in One Piece world - the same way like it's in Toriko.

The difference is that countries like Alabasta appear relatively small in comparison to the Grand Line, let alone the seas, let alone Red Line.

The OP world has like MILLIONS of islands, some are small, some are mid sized but some are legit countries - WITHIN the Grand Line.

Oda can be criticized for a lot of things but world building isn't one of them - that includes all the islands.

 

[Elder Lee Hung]

@soupongo The Papazuki fandom better pray that “L”ee never reads Naruto. He’d toss the magma brat away like an used condom if he got exposed to Lord Shimura greatness

Spoiler: I have watched Naruto, just don’t care about scaling this trash lol. I’ve tried reading the manga but even the colored version simply isn’t that good.

 

[Shiroyru]

No, it was from a city to another one. The entire travel time throughout Alabasta probably lasted a few weeks.



Yes, it is the earth in One Piece world - the same way like it's in Toriko.

The difference is that countries like Alabasta appear relatively small in comparison to the Grand Line, let alone the seas, let alone Red Line.

The OP world has like MILLIONS of islands, some are small, some are mid sized but some are legit countries - WITHIN the Grand Line.

Oda can be criticized for a lot of things but world building isn't one of them - that includes all the islands.

I’d have to go back and check, but I don’t remember Alabasta lasting a few weeks.

Anyways you ignored my question about the Elbaf mountains

 

[Shiroyru]

Spoiler: I have watched Naruto, just don’t care about scaling this trash lol. I’ve tried reading the manga but even the colored version simply isn’t that good.

How is Naruto worse than modern OP lol? Too emo?

 

[soupongo]

Yes, it is the earth in One Piece world - the same way like it's in Toriko.

The difference is that countries like Alabasta appear relatively small in comparison to the Grand Line, let alone the seas, let alone Red Line.

The OP world has like MILLIONS of islands, some are small, some are mid sized but some are legit countries - WITHIN the Grand Line.

Oda can be criticized for a lot of things but world building isn't one of them - that includes all the islands.

Idk what your point is tbh. Even irl, there´s like a couple hundred thousand islands. The Op world is essentially just that, but there´s no proper continents, and all the countries are isolated because of the flood. Majority of islands are essentially town sized(see the east blue) and even something like GV is like small city sized(100k people iirc). Sure, there´s a few more major population hubs like Alabasta, Wano and idk...Totoland, I guess? But even these are probably a few million at best. I doubt there´s going to be some Toriko like twist.

The narutoverse is just if all of humanity stayed in Asia, but again, it´s also just the earth clearly. The Ten tails was being spoken as a threat to all of civilization. You don´t really have an equivalent in OP outside of the ancient weapons.
(and Loki´s ability to destroy the entire world is about as serious as Whitebeards. So basically not at all, it´s just Hearsay, lol)

 

[Sentinel]

I’d have to go back and check, but I don’t remember Alabasta lasting a few weeks.

Anyways you ignored my question about the Elbaf mountains

Nah, you're actually correct. They needed 2 to 3 days from the coast to Yuba but both locations were very near to each other.

Without pixel scaling or other exaggerated stuff, this is a more realistic look of the entire country (with the river):

With the very fast crab, they also travelled from Rainbase to the river in 3 hours. Even Crocodile couldn't match its acceleration speed.
Heck, the map we're seeing on rn is just the largest point of "Ancient Alabasta", the country was most likely far far far larger than it is now.

 

[Elder Lee Hung]

How is Naruto worse than modern OP lol? Too emo?

Meh, OP fell off hard but I still prefer it to Naruto, as said as that is. I really don’t think highly of Dragonball or Naruto.

 

[Sentinel]

Is there any proof that Elbaf mountains are larger than normal mountains? Idk where you’re getting that from

???
What the cope is even that? The plants are larger, the buildings are larger, the trees are larger than the ordinary ones but you question whether the Elbaf mountains are larger than ordinary ones??? The MOUNTAINS of the Country of Giants can be just the size of ordinary mountains?

 

[Shiroyru]

@Sentinel @Tyki_Mikk @soupongo I won’t give Oda too much slack for it because it’s harder to maintain a proper scale when the creatures/characters get excessively large, but I do wish that Oda would be more consistent with sizes.

The Draugr MMA that Loki froze was like twice the size of a mountain, while the Lindwyrm MMA in the latest chapter seemed like 50x smaller than that.

Also, the size of Road’s room at the beginning of the arc really doesn’t make any sense. Standard giants are supposed to be the size of a 4 or 5 story building, but Road for some reason was towering over them and looked even bigger than Loki.

And then there was Goldberg, who’s like 15 meters tall, holding the 56 meter tall Sunny in the palm of his hands (the Sunny actually being 56 meters tall is kinda cap on Oda’s part, but it’s still way too big for Goldberg to be holding it like that regardless).

It also doesn’t really make sense that Nidhogg form Loki managed to fit inside Aurust Castle, but I guess you can just headcanon that Loki can lower the size of his transformation if he wants

 

[Shiroyru]

???
What the cope is even that? The plants are larger, the buildings are larger, the trees are larger than the ordinary ones but you question whether the Elbaf mountains are larger than ordinary ones??? The MOUNTAINS of the Country of Giants can be just the size of ordinary mountains?

Lol, the buildings are larger because the people making the buildings are 15 meters tall. It’s not like they’re natural formations.

The living organisms on Elbaf are gigantified, but I don’t think that’s solid evidence that the inanimate material would be gigantified too. If Elbaf mountains are to giants what regular mountains are to humans, then it wouldn’t make sense to Loki to be as large as he is relative to the mountains here

 

[Sentinel]

Lol, the buildings are larger because the people making the buildings are 15 meters tall. It’s not like they’re natural formations.

Lol what?

Spoiler

Does it look like the buildings are the only large things? Bro, it's time to let go.

The living organisms on Elbaf are gigantified, but I don’t think that’s solid evidence that the inanimate material would be gigantified too.

Yes, they are.

I presented these to you just now.

If Elbaf mountains are to giants what regular mountains are to humans, then it wouldn’t make sense to Loki to be as large as he is relative to the mountains here

1.) That was the introduction panel of the MMA beasts:

Giants look like regular humans in comparison.

2.) One MMA beat in comparison to Base Loki:

Yes, Loki was initially comparable to one of these things in the panel you posted but come on. Do you think that is consistent with how they were drawn so far? In the current chapter, you see both Franky and Jimbei punching one of these monsters:

For some reason, Oda wants to make sure the characters are quite visible when they do their technique. Don't ask me why he's doing this recently but if you look at this:

That's a smaller MMA beasts but it is still significantly larger than Giant G5 which is basically the size of an ancient giant.

 

[Sentinel]

but I do wish that Oda would be more consistent with sizes.

Yeah, I agree.

It's annoying trying to discuss about these things when Oda is so inconsistent with this shit.

Also, the size of Road’s room at the beginning of the arc really doesn’t make any sense. Standard giants are supposed to be the size of a 4 or 5 story building, but Road for some reason was towering over them and looked even bigger than Loki.

I have to look into this more again.

And then there was Goldberg, who’s like 15 meters tall, holding the 56 meter tall Sunny in the palm of his hands (the Sunny actually being 56 meters tall is kinda cap on Oda’s part, but it’s still way too big for Goldberg to be holding it like that regardless).

Yep, the Sunny sure is only 20m tall but it's still ridiculous.

It also doesn’t really make sense that Nidhogg form Loki managed to fit inside Aurust Castle, but I guess you can just headcanon that Loki can lower the size of his transformation if he wants

Idk if it was his hybrid mode or not but it doesn't make sense if it was the full zoan mode.

 

[Shiroyru]

Lol what?

Spoiler

Does it look like the buildings are the only large things? Bro, it's time to let go.



Yes, they are.

I presented these to you just now.



1.) That was the introduction panel of the MMA beasts:

Giants look like regular humans in comparison.

2.) One MMA beat in comparison to Base Loki:

Yes, Loki was initially comparable to one of these things in the panel you posted but come on. Do you think that is consistent with how they were drawn so far? In the current chapter, you see both Franky and Jimbei punching one of these monsters:

For some reason, Oda wants to make sure the characters are quite visible when they do their technique. Don't ask me why he's doing this recently but if you look at this:

That's a smaller MMA beasts but it is still significantly larger than Giant G5 which is basically the size of an ancient giant.

Yeah the organic stuff is gigantified, but like I said earlier, it could just be that the living organisms (trees, giants, etc) are the only gigantified things, while inanimate objects like the mountains are normal sized.
There’s some panels where the mountains look huge and some where they look normal sized. We’ll just have to wait until Oda gives us a height for the Adam tree before we can probably scale Elbaf tbh. He’s just too inconsistent with scale in this arc.

Also, didn’t the school kids walk across quite a big chunk of the Sun World in like, what, 30 minutes? Sure their steps are probably like 5x larger than human steps, but that would still be inconsistent with Elbaf being the size of Australia or whatever if they can cover that much of the Sun World that fast

 

[Shiroyru]

Yeah, I agree.

It's annoying trying to discuss about these things when Oda is so inconsistent with this shit.



I have to look into this more again.



Yep, the Sunny sure is only 20m tall but it's still ridiculous.



Idk if it was his hybrid mode or not but it doesn't make sense if it was the full zoan mode.

When Loki first used the fruit in the flashback, he was running on all fours towards Harald, which would imply he was in beast form

 

[Sentinel]

Yeah the organic stuff is gigantified, but like I said earlier, it could just be that the living organisms (trees, giants, etc) are the only gigantified things, while inanimate objects like the mountains are normal sized.

Sorry but that doesn't even make sense, lol.

The mountains are double or more the size of the tall trees.

We’ll just have to wait until Oda gives us a height for the Adam tree before we can probably scale Elbaf tbh.

Nah, Lolda isn't doing stuff like this anymore.
Also, Zunisha's size was like retconned 3 times. It was first 20km, then 35km, then 5km and finally, 10km.

Also, didn’t the school kids walk across quite a big chunk of the Sun World in like, what, 30 minutes?

Oda didn't name any time frames when characters travelled through Elbaf.
At least with Wano, we knew that Zoro travelled few days before he reached the position.

but that would still be inconsistent with Elbaf being the size of Australia or whatever if they can cover that much of the Sun World that fast

Elbaf is ridiculously large, that's Loki who's larger than Blazing Bagua Kaido:

There are dozens of giants on his back which appear to be the size of ants:

His scales really look like mountains itself, lol.

You know Alabasta and Wano are not small countries; Elbaf easily dwarfs those two.

 

[BoaHancocksHusband]

Who is stronger and wins in a fight?

@Sentinel @Tyki_Mikk @Shiroyru @TheAncientCenturion @ZenZu @Steven @RayanOO @soupongo @SakazOuki @BoaHancocksHusband etc

Juubi

 

[Shiroyru]

Loki: “Huff huff, did we finally beat the Juubi?”

Ragnir: “Loki-san, that was Shukaku”

 

[Loki D. Terror]

Loki: “Huff huff, did we finally beat the Juubi?”

Ragnir: “Loki-san, that was Shukaku”

Kaido is above nine tails let alone shukaku and loki mogs Kaido. Loki is far stronger than any of tailed beats.

 

[Sentinel]

Kaido is above nine tails let alone shukaku and loki mogs Kaido. Loki is far stronger than any of tailed beats.

DR Zoro can slice Shukaku apart, let alone Kaido.

 

[Tyki_Mikk]

DR Zoro can slice Shukaku apart, let alone Kaido.

Zoro cut off Pica who is even bigger than Ten Tails...

Just as example...