Questions & Mysteries “Ryuma slayed niddhog/God of war” theory officially debunked

[Dragon777]

What is this supposed to mean? That some readers want more for him than Oda does?

That some readers want him inappropriately connected with a plot for which he has no connections at all.

1. We are awaiting the lore of the black blade. We know that to some extent Oda has to deal with it because we'll have Zoro vs Mihawk. Wano's samurai were strong, and yet Ryuma was the god of the blade. There is something that set him apart and put his blade above WB, Oden, Roger, Shanks, Nusjuro, Harald, and Xebec.

And if THAT'S not a crazy enough list, we are shown that both Nika and Elbaf had swords.

Sure, as for Aramaki.

Imho, other than CoC, forging a black blade is the peak of CoA.

2. The two swords outside of Elbaf and Onigashima aren't included in #1 because we don't know the owners. Does it seem unreasonable to think that they had owners, though, and that there's a story? There wasn't anything we discovered in Wano about that katana, but there's no reason to think that another sword is shown in Elbaf for a similarly non existent reason.

I have some hope for the sword in Erbaf, but tbh zero for the sword in Onigashima. The skull was also man-made, so I don't think Oda intended the sword there for anything more than visual purposes.

Not that is anyway connected to anything.

3. Where in the manga did you find the number 400 as used for an estimate to Ryuma's time? It's kind of a hassle for me to dig out Thriller Bark right now if there's nothing to find.

You won't find it there: you'll find it in the extra material.

The information only happens to be perfectly in line to what is said in the manga.

 

[Crow]

Bruh don’t act like y’all dont leech off Ryuma and mihawk all the time, Yall just lie all the fucking time.

How would Zoro fans leech off Ryuuma? Tell me.

Yes, we might relate Zoro's progress to Mihawk in terms of his strength and feats. Since we know Zoro will surpass even him. But that's not leeching. That's only applying basic logic.
EoS Zoro > Mihawk > everyone else.

You know what's leeching?
Before #1010, CoC was never a topic for sanji bros. We had hints that Zoro has it for decades. But that was never a thing. But once it got confirmed, coincidentally the "sanji will get CoC" leeching theories awoke. And after Gaban showed CoC the leeching grew to a maximum and keeps sanji bros on crack since then. Suddenly the blue fires and whatever the fuck jambes went into the void. Suddenly the super high temperature of his fires vanished into indifference. Suddenly the super durable exoskeleton became nothing but an empty shell. Suddenly sanji became an upcoming CoC master. That is leeching bro.

 

[TheD.]

How would Zoro fans leech off Ryuuma? Tell me.

Yes, we might relate Zoro's progress to Mihawk in terms of his strength and feats. Since we know Zoro will surpass even him. But that's not leeching. That's only applying basic logic.
EoS Zoro > Mihawk > everyone else.

You know what's leeching?
Before #1010, CoC was never a topic for sanji bros. We had hints that Zoro has it for decades. But that was never a thing. But once it got confirmed, coincidentally the "sanji will get CoC" leeching theories awoke. And after Gaban showed CoC the leeching grew to a maximum and keeps sanji bros on crack since then. Suddenly the blue fires and whatever the fuck jambes went into the void. Suddenly the super high temperature of his fires vanished into indifference. Suddenly the super durable exoskeleton became nothing but an empty shell. Suddenly sanji became an upcoming CoC master. That is leeching bro.

This you?

 

[Crow]

This you?

Yes.
God of the Blade > Sun God
both carry God titles. Both carry swords. Only one carries a sword related God title. Do the math.

And ryuuma ptsd bc Zoro is the spitting fucking image of ryuuma

I appreciate the 1min of research you put in. But that doesn't display ANY leeching.

Also reminder that you didn't reply to my other points.

 

[TheD.]

@Crow

How would Zoro fans leech off Ryuuma? Tell me.

Yes, we might relate Zoro's progress to Mihawk in terms of his strength and feats. Since we know Zoro will surpass even him. But that's not leeching. That's only applying basic logic.
EoS Zoro > Mihawk > everyone else.

You know what's leeching?
Before #1010, CoC was never a topic for sanji bros. We had hints that Zoro has it for decades. But that was never a thing. But once it got confirmed, coincidentally the "sanji will get CoC" leeching theories awoke. And after Gaban showed CoC the leeching grew to a maximum and keeps sanji bros on crack since then. Suddenly the blue fires and whatever the fuck jambes went into the void. Suddenly the super high temperature of his fires vanished into indifference. Suddenly the super durable exoskeleton became nothing but an empty shell. Suddenly sanji became an upcoming CoC master. That is leeching bro.

 

[TheD.]

And ryuuma ptsd bc Zoro is the spitting fucking image of ryuuma

I appreciate the 1min of research you put in. But that doesn't display ANY leeching.

Also reminder that you didn't reply to my other points

That’s the textbook definition of leeching lmao

and imu couldn’t give a shit about Zoro yet don’t come crying when Imu doesn’t react to zoro at all.

 

[Fn Lucci]

That some readers want him inappropriately connected with a plot for which he has no connections at all.

Connections don't exist until they do. You can say they don't exist yet, but not that they won't. That's all I say speaking for myself at least.

Sure, as for Aramaki.

Imho, other than CoC, forging a black blade is the peak of CoA.

I left Aramaki out because I kinda like seeing what people say about him. Moria owned Shusui for about 20 years, Zoro owned it for two years. Neither of them could have turned it black.

Aramaki went to the land of samurai and didn't fight any of them with his sword. Nothing we know about him says he's even a swordsman, we just see that he has one. Until Oda says otherwise, I don't qualify him.

I have some hope for the sword in Erbaf, but tbh zero for the sword in Onigashima. The skull was also man-made, so I don't think Oda intended the sword there for anything more than visual purposes.

Who said the skull was man made? It's also weird imo to think that the proportionate sword could have been wielded but that someone that size doesn't exist.

You won't find it there: you'll find it in the extra material.

The information only happens to be perfectly in line to what is said in the manga.

Again, OPM 14 called Kaido the strongest creature in history. Until Oda says it in the manga, there's no reason to believe it's valid and even then he's free to contradict himself.

 

[kekaro]

Literally in this chaptervit showed they were holding back still. Are you dumb?

In talking about sandman tardo

 

[Paragorn]

This you?

Holy fucking shit lmao..

 

[comrade]

So is the only argument here really that we can't prove otherwise?

 

[Paragorn]

So is the only argument here really that we can't prove otherwise?

Yes because no matter the lack of evidence or manga material, Oda can retcon it anytime, so zoro fans automatically wins....

 

[kekaro]

Public humiliation at this point

 

[Fn Lucci]

So is the only argument here really that we can't prove otherwise?

The title of the thread is officially debunked so this is the only thing needed. The burden of proof has failed.

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

The title of the thread is officially debunked so this is the only thing needed. The burden of proof has failed.

just stop

 

[Dragon777]

Connections don't exist until they do. You can say they don't exist yet, but not that they won't. That's all I say speaking for myself at least.

Sure, buy the problem with Ryuma is that him being from the first world goes against mny informations we had.

I left Aramaki out because I kinda like seeing what people say about him. Moria owned Shusui for about 20 years, Zoro owned it for two years. Neither of them could have turned it black.

Aramaki went to the land of samurai and didn't fight any of them with his sword. Nothing we know about him says he's even a swordsman, we just see that he has one. Until Oda says otherwise, I don't qualify him.

We'll see.

I think that's by design, because in Ronin Gai too Aramaki (the name was even the same) "secretly" a great swordman. Only time will tell.

Who said the skull was man made? It's also weird imo to think that the proportionate sword could have been wielded but that someone that size doesn't exist.

Well, the Skull was probably shaped in that form since it was said to be part of the mountain range:

Again, OPM 14 called Kaido the strongest creature in history. Until Oda says it in the manga, there's no reason to believe it's valid and even then he's free to contradict himself.

True, but the difference here is that the informations we have had so far are in accordance with that one.

 

[nik87]

So is the only argument here really that we can't prove otherwise?

The argument here is that we cant prove anything other than the implied Ryuma's era in new Wano.
Other than that, nothing is provable. Which was my point, explaining why that is...

 

[kekaro]

What the fuck does this guy mean its "implied"

Did zoro fans finally went insane? Are they using the argument "ehm well the part in monsters, that doesnt look like wano in the manga"

My nika its a legacy GAG, that oda included a character This mofos think oda planned 40 years to tease some epic lore about sbs man he didnt bother writing one chapter to even visit the grave of ryumor.

Wano didnt exist for another 20 years after that even as idea in odas head. Ryumor comes from wano because thats designated weebo country

Gil Bastar, an other easter egg character also uses a fucking modern day revolves in WANTED!!, something we canonicly know dont exist in one piece

Is now being implied that gil bastar comes from the future??? This mofos writing essays about Dragonball Toriyama level gag stuff

 

[Boiroy]

@Paragorn don't tag me in op bullshit during weekend.

Only during weekdays when spoiler time.

 

[Paragorn]

@Boiroy

 

[comrade]

The argument here is that we cant prove anything other than the implied Ryuma's era in new Wano.
Other than that, nothing is provable. Which was my point, explaining why that is...

So the evidence suggests that Ryuma's timeline can be dated back at the most 800 years back, since he was around during the resettlement of Wano (wouldn't be far fetched that Ryuma was Joyboy's Zoro at that point), while the War of God and Sun God Nika lore most likely dates back to the first world, and we know the Elbaf lore is tens of thousands of years old.

And both claims are not equal. If you say nothing hints at Ryuma's and God of War's exact timeline, then it's not a 50/50 on Ryuma encountering the God of War, it's a didn't happen until proven otherwise.