Questions & Mysteries “Ryuma slayed niddhog/God of war” theory officially debunked

[Dragon777]

His corpse was dug out less than 30 years ago. It was preserved by the ice, right? Isn't that the whole point of what you're saying?

Yeah, I mean; the point is that the unique conditions of Ringo made possibile for Ryuma's corpse to look almost like the "freshly dead" Captain John.

Then, when Moria stole it, I suppose he had the means to preserve it someway.

Big relates to the physical size of Nidhoggr. You can't say that this size relates to significance while Nika is so small.

Idk if Nika is small: Nika is also the Sun, which we see clearly. Also, Nika/Sun God is explicitly talked about.

You can compensate by being a clear element, even if you are not talked about, but both?

 

[Fn Lucci]

Yeah, I mean; the point is that the unique conditions of Ringo made possibile for Ryuma's corpse to look almost like the "freshly dead" Captain John.

Then, when Moria stole it, I suppose he had the means to preserve it someway.

I think there is too much supposing for why this wasn't mentioned at all during Thriller Bark and is being tied to one single line made indirectly by someone who has never seen the corpse of Ryuma.

Idk if Nika is small: Nika is also the Sun, which we see clearly. Also, Nika/Sun God is explicitly talked about.

Nika being the Sun is open for debate. The text and visuals are very deliberately vague and we won't know the full story for a really long time. The possibility of Ryuma being involved with the god of war can be addressed much sooner if not by the end of this arc. For all we know, next week's chapter may confirm details about the previous Nidhoggr.

 

[TheD.]

How de we know the era of Ryuma ? Lots of uncertainty there.

Bruh Read the fucking thread

 

[Dragon777]

I think there is too much supposing for why this wasn't mentioned at all during Thriller Bark and is being tied to one single line made indirectly by someone who has never seen the corpse of Ryuma.

He has never (though I think they have seen his grave before Moria stole the corpse), but we did. I think that was Oda explaininh why Ryuma (or Ord.) weren't only bones by now.

Nika being the Sun is open for debate. The text and visuals are very deliberately vague and we won't know the full story for a really long time. The possibility of Ryuma being involved with the god of war can be addressed much sooner if not by the end of this arc. For all we know, next week's chapter may confirm details about the previous Nidhoggr.

Sure, ok, but I mean: Sun God. In fact, I think the Harley don't say "Nika" at all.

 

[Mathias]

Bruh Read the fucking thread

This could literally just be "any era".

I'm not reading 13 pages. I just reply to the title.

 

[TheD.]

This could literally just be "any era".

I'm not reading 13 pages. I just reply to the title.

Lazy ass dude

 

[Fn Lucci]

He has never (though I think they have seen his grave before Moria stole the corpse), but we did. I think that was Oda explaininh why Ryuma (or Ord.) weren't only bones by now.

Oars had been partially restored. You could say that about Ryuma except, we don't know and that's not something anyone would have assumed. No one thought his condition was anything worth discussing and yet it was obvious that he was much older than the rest

Sure, ok, but I mean: Sun God. In fact, I think the Harley don't say "Nika" at all.

Neither the sun god or Nika should be the literal sun being held lol

 

[kekaro]

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Another case of speedreading

 

[warsame zaylai]

https://x.com/seanynr/status/2029208567451140129?s=61
someone pointed out oda uses different kanji for eastern and western dragon and ryuma killed a western dragon

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Oda uses two different kanji for Ryuu to distinguish between Western and Eastern dragons. For Loki's Nidhoggr, Oda uses the kanji for a Western Dragon

Interestingly enough, Hogback and Onimaru both used the kanji for a Western dragon when talking about Ryuma slaying a dragon 👀

if its true ryuma killed a western dragon and we have ancient giant skull in wano
then surely its leading into something right ?

 

[gz89]

then surely its leading into something right ?

Yes, it leads to the conclusion that whatever that giant skull was and whatever dragon Ryuma killed, it definitely wasn't Niddhog.

Oda doesn't give a fuck about Ryuma, he won't feed him Nika's rival.

 

[ArturCantSpeakJapanese]

https://x.com/seanynr/status/2029208567451140129?s=61
someone pointed out oda uses different kanji for eastern and western dragon and ryuma killed a western dragon

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Oda uses two different kanji for Ryuu to distinguish between Western and Eastern dragons. For Loki's Nidhoggr, Oda uses the kanji for a Western Dragon

Interestingly enough, Hogback and Onimaru both used the kanji for a Western dragon when talking about Ryuma slaying a dragon 👀

if its true ryuma killed a western dragon and we have ancient giant skull in wano
then surely its leading into something right ?

the florian triangle shadow is a real western dragon. the big egg on roger's ship is a dragon egg

 

[kekaro]

 

[BoaHancocksHusband]

With the God of war lore being explored and Lokis devil fruit being a dragon, many Zoro fans or just readers alike have decided to theorize the that Lokis past ancestor was the dragon Ryuma slayed in the capital which I honestly don’t blame them for that it would explain onigahsimas skull for example however……

there are too many problems and fallacy with this theory
For one the timelines would be thousand of years off.

We know that the God of war was definitely a being that existed in the first world which is tens of thousands of years long ago

This perfectly matches with what Loki said about his mythology/religion as we do know that him and hajrudin worship or follow a deity of war (most likely their own ancestor like rocks and Davy jones relationship )

Next we have to go find Ryumas timeline which was after the void century confirmed that he was buried in new wano (a time period before the void century as old wano was during void century times)

Now even if Ryuma was indeed from the void century it still would not line up.

And ontop of that Imu not knowing where niddhog was kinda tells us that even to Imu niddhog was an ancient legend.

Lastly the dragon ryuma slayed could’ve been a high ranking celestial dragon with a dragon devil fruit we already know the world government was in access of kaidos devil fruit and there are multiple dragon fruits out there in the world. Ryuma slaying a dragon holy knight or immortal that imu or the wg tried to send to take over wano would be a Very impressive feat. Worthy of calling him god of the blade still.

This could all be debunked for all I know but given the evidence Ryuma slaying Lokis last devil fruit user seems very unlikely to even impossible.
@Dragon777 @Elder Lee Hung @Sentinel @ZenZu @Tyki_Mikk @MonochromeYoru @soupongo @Loki D. Terror @SakazOuki @kekaro

Exactly. Big Daddy Saran slayed nidhogg

 

[L57]

Bruh Read the fucking thread

ryuma s era was never mentioned dipshit

 

[HerreraIsBack]

Sorry pal. You can say there is no evidence of the dragon Ryuuma killed was Niddhog but the opposite is the same. This thread is pointless.

 

[Fn Lucci]

Nika's rival.

Nika, Imu, Davy

Luffy, Blackbeard, Shanks

Shirahoshi, Vivi, Loki

 

[Rumble]

Sorry pal. You can say there is no evidence of the dragon Ryuuma killed was Niddhog but the opposite is the same. This thread is pointless.

The opposite is not the same.

Ryūma lived 400 years ago. Jarul was alive back then.

The last time the Nidhoggr DF was consumed is considered ancient history for giants.

 

[Fn Lucci]

The opposite is not the same.

Ryūma lived 400 years ago. Jarul was alive back then.

The last time the Nidhoggr DF was consumed is considered ancient history for giants.

OP magazine is not canon

 

[HerreraIsBack]

The opposite is not the same.

Ryūma lived 400 years ago. Jarul was alive back then.

The last time the Nidhoggr DF was consumed is considered ancient history for giants.

You know that 400 years old is speculation right? We don't know exactly.

Plus we don't know about the Nidhogg DF, when it became a national treasure.

And it seems you are assuming a giant was the owner of it. It could have be a human, a squirrel, an ant...

 

[TheD.]

You know that 400 years old is speculation right? We don't know exactly.

Plus we don't know about the Nidhogg DF, when it became a national treasure.

And it seems you are assuming a giant was the owner of it. It could have be a human, a squirrel, an ant...

Which is false

Nobody ate it besides ragnirs last master