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Why would it make sense for Sanji to not finish the opponent he awakens CoC against?
Luffy told Sommers to remember Zoro's name. The very next chapter Sanji destroy Killingham's helmet.
It's one thing to say we can't rule out Sanji vs Sommers still happening, it's another to say it makes more sense Sanji ends up fighting Sommers - it doesn't make more sense at all when you consider the distance between them.
Luffy told Sommers to remember Zoro's name. The very next chapter Sanji destroy Killingham's helmet.
It's one thing to say we can't rule out Sanji vs Sommers still happening, it's another to say it makes more sense Sanji ends up fighting Sommers - it doesn't make more sense at all when you consider the distance between them.
It could be as simple as regeneration being the disadvantage Sanji has to overcome.
Wouldn't be the first time it was a straightforward obstacle in Sanji's way, but I think it'll be more emotional than that.
Love is a major theme in Elbaph. I don't think Haki and PoL are the same, but I do expect a major revelation about it involving Sanji's awakening.
I can buy Shanks being physically inferior to Shamrock, but I think Oda puts him on too high of a pedestal for it to make them that close even now. imo we're supposed to think of Shanks as being so powerful he's still stronger despite missing an arm.
I'm also not convinced he doesn't have a DF sword, or that the Knights knew the depths of his strength.
The Oda glaze is just different.
Wouldn't be the first time it was a straightforward obstacle in Sanji's way, but I think it'll be more emotional than that.
Love is a major theme in Elbaph. I don't think Haki and PoL are the same, but I do expect a major revelation about it involving Sanji's awakening.
I can buy Shanks being physically inferior to Shamrock, but I think Oda puts him on too high of a pedestal for it to make them that close even now. imo we're supposed to think of Shanks as being so powerful he's still stronger despite missing an arm.
I'm also not convinced he doesn't have a DF sword, or that the Knights knew the depths of his strength.
The Oda glaze is just different.
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Why would it make sense for Sanji to not finish the opponent he awakens CoC against?
Luffy told Sommers to remember Zoro's name. The very next chapter Sanji destroy Killingham's helmet.
It's one thing to say we can't rule out Sanji vs Sommers still happening, it's another to say it makes more sense Sanji ends up fighting Sommers - it doesn't make more sense at all when you consider the distance between them.
Luffy told Sommers to remember Zoro's name. The very next chapter Sanji destroy Killingham's helmet.
It's one thing to say we can't rule out Sanji vs Sommers still happening, it's another to say it makes more sense Sanji ends up fighting Sommers - it doesn't make more sense at all when you consider the distance between them.
I do hope that Sanji kicks Killingham ass hard, hopefully with CoC attacks, but as of now we still don't have all fights locked in:
- Luffy and Loki still not fighting Imunko
- Zoro & giants will deal with DR giants, but there's also Sommers who's likely to be beaten by Zoro, but...
... let's not forget the possibility of Imunko doing a DR on Loki and leaving Elbaph for a time being with the rest of HR (because Loki too destructive) which will mean it's Nika and everyone vs Loki (which is a bad option imo, bad, but not impossible)
Why would it make sense for Sanji to not finish the opponent he awakens CoC against?
Luffy told Sommers to remember Zoro's name. The very next chapter Sanji destroy Killingham's helmet.
It's one thing to say we can't rule out Sanji vs Sommers still happening, it's another to say it makes more sense Sanji ends up fighting Sommers - it doesn't make more sense at all when you consider the distance between them.
Luffy told Sommers to remember Zoro's name. The very next chapter Sanji destroy Killingham's helmet.
It's one thing to say we can't rule out Sanji vs Sommers still happening, it's another to say it makes more sense Sanji ends up fighting Sommers - it doesn't make more sense at all when you consider the distance between them.
I remember that in Wano, Sanji and King clashed first, Zoro attacked Queen next, but in the end it was the obvious confrontation: Zoro vs. King and Sanji vs. Queen.
Let's wait and see
As I recall, the majority of fans were arguing the setup was pointing to Zoro vs Kizaru.
I don't consider Sanji destroying Kizaru's laser as amounting to a versus situation. The only real fight happened was Sanji dominating S-Shark on his own. The rest was limited intervention.
I'm not saying Sommers vs Sanji is ruled out. The disagreement is on whether it makes the most sense to happen.
It doesn't make the most sense to me that Sanji would fight Sommers now. Even less so for him to awaken CoC versus Killingham but end up finishing Sommers.
For all we know, there's a brief clash where Zoro sends Sommers flying in Sanji's direction and Sanji sends Killingham flying in Zoro's direction, on some Team Rocket shit. It's possible, but I don't think it's probable.
I'm also not that convinced Zoro vs Sommers is happening even if Sanji vs Killingham is. Especially if Loki gets Domi Reversi'd, in which case I think it's all hands on deck save him, resulting with Luffy succeeding where Roger and Garp failed.
I don't consider Sanji destroying Kizaru's laser as amounting to a versus situation. The only real fight happened was Sanji dominating S-Shark on his own. The rest was limited intervention.
I'm not saying Sommers vs Sanji is ruled out. The disagreement is on whether it makes the most sense to happen.
It doesn't make the most sense to me that Sanji would fight Sommers now. Even less so for him to awaken CoC versus Killingham but end up finishing Sommers.
For all we know, there's a brief clash where Zoro sends Sommers flying in Sanji's direction and Sanji sends Killingham flying in Zoro's direction, on some Team Rocket shit. It's possible, but I don't think it's probable.
I'm also not that convinced Zoro vs Sommers is happening even if Sanji vs Killingham is. Especially if Loki gets Domi Reversi'd, in which case I think it's all hands on deck save him, resulting with Luffy succeeding where Roger and Garp failed.
The distance can be resolved, that doesn't make it likely.
Context is not one-size-fits-all. The possibility of Sanji vs King arose in a completely different context.
Obviously we will have to wait and see what it ends up being, but I'm saying at present the claim Sanji VS Sommers makes the most sense is unfounded.
Context is not one-size-fits-all. The possibility of Sanji vs King arose in a completely different context.
Obviously we will have to wait and see what it ends up being, but I'm saying at present the claim Sanji VS Sommers makes the most sense is unfounded.
Done! No golden Sanji for me today, though, only the regular white background...
We also don't know the HK ranking system, which could help us predict the battles easier. Anyway, for now HK still don't seem very impressive, they were wrecking havoc against tied Loki, fodder giants and semi-fodder SHP, but we haven't seen them actually fight. Regeneration makes their fights less fun imo, but I still want to see what they can do, especially Killingham who for now is simply managing his nightmares but not fighting himself.
We also don't know the HK ranking system, which could help us predict the battles easier. Anyway, for now HK still don't seem very impressive, they were wrecking havoc against tied Loki, fodder giants and semi-fodder SHP, but we haven't seen them actually fight. Regeneration makes their fights less fun imo, but I still want to see what they can do, especially Killingham who for now is simply managing his nightmares but not fighting himself.
In what way? Sanji has faced higher ranked, equal rank and stronger opponents that Zoro's before.
For what it's worth though, I think Sommers is the most senior Knight there.
I don't have a problem with regeneration, I have a problem with how it's been implemented.
The Knights move with the impunity of immortals, and I have no problem with that at all in principle. There is a psychological component to letting their enemies hit them with their best shot and watch hopelessly as they regenerate.
The issue is really tied to how little they've achieved done in the present or past timelines.
I don't fault Garling for losing badly to Rocks, even with help. Rocks wasn't at his peak, but he was in his prime fighting years. Likewise, I don't fault Sommers for losing to Rayleigh and Gaban.
My issue is we've seen the Knights take too many Ls in a condensed period.
I also think it's stupid they don't have Conqueror's Haki. All of them should. It should be something selected for, as potential Gorosei replacements. We should've seen these mfers do more aura farming in the present timeline versus giants, and in the past versus pirates. As it stands, even with the understanding Imu can beef them up, they've been undermined too much.
For what it's worth though, I think Sommers is the most senior Knight there.
I don't have a problem with regeneration, I have a problem with how it's been implemented.
The Knights move with the impunity of immortals, and I have no problem with that at all in principle. There is a psychological component to letting their enemies hit them with their best shot and watch hopelessly as they regenerate.
The issue is really tied to how little they've achieved done in the present or past timelines.
I don't fault Garling for losing badly to Rocks, even with help. Rocks wasn't at his peak, but he was in his prime fighting years. Likewise, I don't fault Sommers for losing to Rayleigh and Gaban.
My issue is we've seen the Knights take too many Ls in a condensed period.
I also think it's stupid they don't have Conqueror's Haki. All of them should. It should be something selected for, as potential Gorosei replacements. We should've seen these mfers do more aura farming in the present timeline versus giants, and in the past versus pirates. As it stands, even with the understanding Imu can beef them up, they've been undermined too much.
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Not obvious for everyone, sadly. Even now, you still have Sanji vs King believers who can't accept facts and keep claiming it wasn't obvious. Those who called it and knew it all along are somehow still wrong, that's how strong the dishonesty is. 
Honestly, it's comparable to ZKK believers claiming Oda changed his mind at the last minute because they can't admit they were just delusional. Some people are too immature to simply say "I was wrong".
I'm a bit touchy about that subject, but that's what happens when you get shat on by crazed Zoro and Sanji fans before matchups were confirmed, then still get shat on after you were proven right.
Honestly, it's comparable to ZKK believers claiming Oda changed his mind at the last minute because they can't admit they were just delusional. Some people are too immature to simply say "I was wrong".
I'm a bit touchy about that subject, but that's what happens when you get shat on by crazed Zoro and Sanji fans before matchups were confirmed, then still get shat on after you were proven right.
Sanji vs Killingham the only HK opponent that makes sense right now.
People keep trying to push Sommers, but what actual reason is there for Sanji to fight Sommers? Kids & parents have already been saved, Robin's already free, and Luffy wants him to remember Zoro, meanwhile Sanji is defending his nakama from Killingham's insults and his last kick likely did 0 damage so fight should continue next chapter.
Oda also wants to move on from Elbaf and show the burn scar man this year. Having to re-shuffle everyone, and find a reason for Sanji to fight Sommers is just dragging things out and delaying the next arc.
People keep trying to push Sommers, but what actual reason is there for Sanji to fight Sommers? Kids & parents have already been saved, Robin's already free, and Luffy wants him to remember Zoro, meanwhile Sanji is defending his nakama from Killingham's insults and his last kick likely did 0 damage so fight should continue next chapter.
Oda also wants to move on from Elbaf and show the burn scar man this year. Having to re-shuffle everyone, and find a reason for Sanji to fight Sommers is just dragging things out and delaying the next arc.
Sommers made sense prior because he's an ideological enemy to Sanji, seemingly by design, down to how his DF mechanics work. He's briar-man, which brings to mind idioms such as "Love is like a rose with thorns" or whatever.
Sanji was born with more emotions than anyone, and it was expected his awakening would be tied to something dramatic.
Sanji vs Killingham is where the flow of the story is now, however.
Not only would Sommers have to backtrack to face Sanji (or be sent flying that way), Luffy told him to remember Zoro's name in the chapter prior to Sanji kicking the shit out of Killingham.
Nothing is set in stone yet, but we can tell which direction the wind is blowing.
Sanji was born with more emotions than anyone, and it was expected his awakening would be tied to something dramatic.
Sanji vs Killingham is where the flow of the story is now, however.
Not only would Sommers have to backtrack to face Sanji (or be sent flying that way), Luffy told him to remember Zoro's name in the chapter prior to Sanji kicking the shit out of Killingham.
Nothing is set in stone yet, but we can tell which direction the wind is blowing.
You don´t think there´s any relevance in the fact that the only chapter where we see them together, with a power comparison, Shamrock is stated to be stronger?
The narrative is what I said, Shamrock has powers from Imu, and through celestial dragon decadence and connections, he can get crazy mythical zoans, all while having 2 hands. As long as his Haki isn´t complete dogshit, the odds are in his favor,no?
The narrative is what I said, Shamrock has powers from Imu, and through celestial dragon decadence and connections, he can get crazy mythical zoans, all while having 2 hands. As long as his Haki isn´t complete dogshit, the odds are in his favor,no?