[FNZ] Super Role Madness Pokemon: I choose you!
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What are you thoughts about Luka? At first I was a bit amused that he's trying to suspect me and I thought that's towny. But at some point I started thinking if it's not performative at that point. Like, you are in PoE, I'm in PoE, Flower barely made it out of PoE. What does the guy need to townread people? Going against mainstream reads is appreciated, but I'm started to get thoroughly confused by his estimators.
Handium was gth town, but not strong.
People that know luka that I townread have him all solid town.
Have not looked much closer at the slot tbh.
I think the scumread on you is somewhat towny because I don't think most scum would bother.
I thought some of the placements here were wild and I am curious about the reasoning.
I think those 5 townreads point more towards individual town (most scum would put tag/flower/gb/naomi higher just because of semi consensus.
Maybe even bitter or york depending on how they feel about sheeping reads and who they want to sheep (and if any of them are partners)
Wolfreads are kind of lazy. Bitter will annoy flower, but for the most part nobody will complain about them.
People that know luka that I townread have him all solid town.
Have not looked much closer at the slot tbh.
I think the scumread on you is somewhat towny because I don't think most scum would bother.
I thought some of the placements here were wild and I am curious about the reasoning.
I think those 5 townreads point more towards individual town (most scum would put tag/flower/gb/naomi higher just because of semi consensus.
Maybe even bitter or york depending on how they feel about sheeping reads and who they want to sheep (and if any of them are partners)
Wolfreads are kind of lazy. Bitter will annoy flower, but for the most part nobody will complain about them.
Yeah, exactly.
There's a spectrum of what's considered normal and I look at very mainstream lists of reads with suspicion (like yours from yesterday or two days ago).
But Luka seems to be going too much on other side of spectrum and I'm thinking if it's legit at that point lol.
But that's yeah generally not full artillery at him, because overall he's playing pretty nicely, just a point I wanted to discuss with you since you made a somewhat similar comment on TAG.
There's a spectrum of what's considered normal and I look at very mainstream lists of reads with suspicion (like yours from yesterday or two days ago).
But Luka seems to be going too much on other side of spectrum and I'm thinking if it's legit at that point lol.
But that's yeah generally not full artillery at him, because overall he's playing pretty nicely, just a point I wanted to discuss with you since you made a somewhat similar comment on TAG.
Situation with Reloaded is weird, there's lack of hard stances with him, but I understand people not wanting to go for lim on such a LHF second day in a row. But from the vibes in thread I didn't feel like it was TvS wagon d1. Didn't see massive movement putting a big fight for him. But that's just hunch. From his posts he's sus, his readlist was also sus.
@Pot Goblin can you update the read on Relo? How's camaraderie.
@Pot Goblin can you update the read on Relo? How's camaraderie.
The big upside to me is that if reloaded flips scum I think I lock in Hayumi (or get close to it at least).
Which is great considering Hayumi is busier this game than before.
The downside is that a town flip really hurts. You can only lynch a limited number of low posters before it drags the morale to a new low.
Which is great considering Hayumi is busier this game than before.
The downside is that a town flip really hurts. You can only lynch a limited number of low posters before it drags the morale to a new low.
Yeah, that's my sentiment too. Actually I feel that due to Worstgen specifics (a lot of vibe chill players, who are not that engaged [nothing wrong with that! not everyone has to tryhard]) setups should reflect that and be a bit on a side of protown. Such big games ending d5 d6 in the past as you guys mentioned is crazy to me :D
Alright. Now that you've laid your thoughts out, I can see why you have an issue with her play. And I think part of it comes from the fact that when we're thinking about reads that involve suspicion on us, we probably tend to be more hyper-aware of those players and to see potential scum-motivation in the things that they do. I myself can feel it when I think about Juliet. I can feel myself trying to justify the way she's thrown accusations at me as coming from a scum frame of mind, because then it gives me the impetus to unpick it and show how those accusations are wrong. So I'm trying to measure my responses and look elsewhere for scum as well, but I'm conscious it's a bias I have to try to continually fight.
With that said, I'm going to play devils advocate from the position of never having played with you *or* York before, and give you an outsider take on how I see your interactions.
Agreed. But that's not a problem specific to York. There are several players who have either not interacted very much with the player list, or not given very many reads. And I don't think they can all be scum, but I do think this is a safe place for scum to hide. And that's unfortunate.
Actually, I can understand the mindset of town-York doing this. She already explained that she finds it fun/entertaining to spar with Alex, and she clearly wasn't doing it in a way to present "solving" activity. My impression was, York knew that Alex's readlists were wrong, because she was in them. Hell, she was in them before she even made a second post, because Alex claimed to be able to find her from her single entry post.
So I can easily imagine town-York in that situation, town-reading her biggest accuser, but knowing that he's wrong, unlikely to be listened to, and likely to look foolish after she flips, and simply having fun taunting him along the way.
Could she also be doing it as scum? I suppose so. She could've been taunting him with the intention of NKing him. But on balance of probability I think the way she was 'playing' with him is more likely to come from a town. And am I reading too much into the mind of a player I know nothing about? Perhaps. But I can't unthink my thoughts. All I can do is refrain from speaking them, and I didn't sub into this game to hold back.
Agreed. I think this would look worse is she was *obviously* using Alexis as a way to generate "real" content, though. But still, not great.
I actually think the post about Michelle looked okay for York. It felt like she was confident Michelle was town, and also confident that Michelle would reach the same conclusion about York. And Michelle did soften that suspicion considerably, in a way that felt natural and not something that York tried to force. So I would disagree with you on this point.
This one is hard for me because it's a partial meta read. But I do agree that having such a lukewarm non-stance on Cal isn't great. But the way she called him 'tepid' was slightly insulting, and makes me wonder if it was some sort of reaction test. Again, I might be assigning motives that never existed... I'll re-read York's ISO shortly to gain the full context of the York/Cal interactions.
Well, at least I can be confident the two of you aren't paired.
(I'll probably get pushback on this, but I actually think the fact that she didn't bother to plan out progression posts with regards to you is more likely town-indicative. I find that scum are generally more aware of the need to justify their own pushes with 'valid' progression, whereas towns are more likely to just throw out reads without caring how they look. Of course, there are always outliers to that, but generally speaking, I find scum more self-aware of their public image than York is showing here)
Right... but... what else is there to do from *either alignment* when somebody is thinking about lynching you?
The options are:
Town-read the players pushing you
Scum-read the players pushing you (and be accused of OMGUS)
Ignore the players pushing you
Now, if you want to present the argument that scum-York is town-reading the people thinking about lynching her to prevent us from using her posts for town-spew analysis after she's revealed, then yes I can understand that maybe that's a reason for scum-York town-reading Cal and Michelle. But just the fact that she's town-reading the people who suspect her is not AI from my point of view.
I can't speak for York, but if I'm being asked questions by somebody I feel is potentially scum, then I'm going to be wary (and possibly less polite) in answering them, because it's going to be in the back of my mind that I'm being set up in some way to look bad further down the line. So even though York didn't express sus-progression on you, I do think her disproportionate response to you is inkeeping with her world-view if she thinks you are possibly scum and Cal is more likely town. In this case, it isn't the questions that you asked, but the fact that you are the one asking them.
You do have some compelling arguments, but I think this might be a case of T/T, where you both have some suspicion of each other and are seeing potential scum motivation in your interactions with each other.
I'll have a read around these interactions once I get back from errands.
With that said, I'm going to play devils advocate from the position of never having played with you *or* York before, and give you an outsider take on how I see your interactions.
Agreed. But that's not a problem specific to York. There are several players who have either not interacted very much with the player list, or not given very many reads. And I don't think they can all be scum, but I do think this is a safe place for scum to hide. And that's unfortunate.
Actually, I can understand the mindset of town-York doing this. She already explained that she finds it fun/entertaining to spar with Alex, and she clearly wasn't doing it in a way to present "solving" activity. My impression was, York knew that Alex's readlists were wrong, because she was in them. Hell, she was in them before she even made a second post, because Alex claimed to be able to find her from her single entry post.
So I can easily imagine town-York in that situation, town-reading her biggest accuser, but knowing that he's wrong, unlikely to be listened to, and likely to look foolish after she flips, and simply having fun taunting him along the way.
Could she also be doing it as scum? I suppose so. She could've been taunting him with the intention of NKing him. But on balance of probability I think the way she was 'playing' with him is more likely to come from a town. And am I reading too much into the mind of a player I know nothing about? Perhaps. But I can't unthink my thoughts. All I can do is refrain from speaking them, and I didn't sub into this game to hold back.
Agreed. I think this would look worse is she was *obviously* using Alexis as a way to generate "real" content, though. But still, not great.
I actually think the post about Michelle looked okay for York. It felt like she was confident Michelle was town, and also confident that Michelle would reach the same conclusion about York. And Michelle did soften that suspicion considerably, in a way that felt natural and not something that York tried to force. So I would disagree with you on this point.
This one is hard for me because it's a partial meta read. But I do agree that having such a lukewarm non-stance on Cal isn't great. But the way she called him 'tepid' was slightly insulting, and makes me wonder if it was some sort of reaction test. Again, I might be assigning motives that never existed... I'll re-read York's ISO shortly to gain the full context of the York/Cal interactions.
Well, at least I can be confident the two of you aren't paired.
(I'll probably get pushback on this, but I actually think the fact that she didn't bother to plan out progression posts with regards to you is more likely town-indicative. I find that scum are generally more aware of the need to justify their own pushes with 'valid' progression, whereas towns are more likely to just throw out reads without caring how they look. Of course, there are always outliers to that, but generally speaking, I find scum more self-aware of their public image than York is showing here)
Right... but... what else is there to do from *either alignment* when somebody is thinking about lynching you?
The options are:
Town-read the players pushing you
Scum-read the players pushing you (and be accused of OMGUS)
Ignore the players pushing you
Now, if you want to present the argument that scum-York is town-reading the people thinking about lynching her to prevent us from using her posts for town-spew analysis after she's revealed, then yes I can understand that maybe that's a reason for scum-York town-reading Cal and Michelle. But just the fact that she's town-reading the people who suspect her is not AI from my point of view.
I can't speak for York, but if I'm being asked questions by somebody I feel is potentially scum, then I'm going to be wary (and possibly less polite) in answering them, because it's going to be in the back of my mind that I'm being set up in some way to look bad further down the line. So even though York didn't express sus-progression on you, I do think her disproportionate response to you is inkeeping with her world-view if she thinks you are possibly scum and Cal is more likely town. In this case, it isn't the questions that you asked, but the fact that you are the one asking them.
You do have some compelling arguments, but I think this might be a case of T/T, where you both have some suspicion of each other and are seeing potential scum motivation in your interactions with each other.
I'll have a read around these interactions once I get back from errands.
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