Controversial General Political Discussion

[Midnight Delight]

Bibi has always been against the Palestinian state and he understands the removal of the settlements would accelerate the need for one. The best thing Israel can do for its survival is move away from criminals like him

He's getting jailed soon anyway

 

[Midnight Delight]

Tbh Palestinians could gain a lot of international PR if they offered the Settlers Citizenship as a fuck you to Bibi

But the PLO is too retarded to do that

 

[Reborn]

then everything in philosophy is special pleading because philosophy simply work like that. Then atheism is also a special pleading because "god doesnt exist" is a philosophical claim


Metaphysics tries to understand the nature of reality.

How it does this task? By physics? No. By chesmitry? No. By any specific science? No. All these sciences deal with their object focusing in only one aspect: classical physics deal with the object in terms of movement. Chesmitry deals with the object in terms of its composition

But metaphysics doesnt want a specific answer, metaphysics want a general and fundamental answer. For this reason it won't deal with an object in terms of movement or composition, but in terms of it most fundamental aspect: the object as being.

And how metaphysics do that? Through abstraction, deduction, inference, etc.
This kind of inquiry tries to analyze a concept and understand everything about this concept: its limits, what is it meaning, its real or not, its necessary or not, its relations, its category, etc. It also take some premises and try to take all necessary conclusions about these premises. If you take premise A and B you will achieve conclusion C. But if you take premise B and D you will find a new and different conclusion.

And then when the inquiry has a conclusion it will be claimed:

"Reality is this"
"Being is that"
"God exist"
"God doesnt exist"
"The universe was not created"
"The universe was created"
"Physicalism is true"
"Only conciousness exist"

Okay

Don't you think it relies heavily on assumptions and speculations with no experimental verification or testable predictions?

We had many of such metaphysical claims made since the ancient times and they didn't stand the test of time or verification.

So, how one can believe such claims or conclusions to be true without any verification? Blind faith?

 

[Zenos7]

If you don't really know if there's a God you are a Agnostic not athiest

no, thats a category error, since of of those is about belief and one is about knowledge.

i dont believe in any god, but i dont know whether there is any or not.

Some atheists are agnostic, some arent.

 

[Reborn]

People who recall past lives

So you just believe their words or is there anything else which makes you believe them?

 

[Zenos7]

this is a big issue in this general debate, because people have extremely varying visions and interpretations of what constitutes "god".

The god you are talking about is not even remotely comparable to the god blax is propagating.

 

[Zenos7]

After the big bang, there was an immediate intelligent life

did you miss a negation here?

 

[Etzel Andergast]

Okay

Don't you think it relies heavily on assumptions and speculations with no experimental verification or testable predictions?

We had many of such metaphysical claims made since the ancient times and they didn't stand the test of time or verification.

So, how one can believe such claims or conclusions to be true without any verification? Blind faith?

Ok, philosophers gonna do that after someone finally verify the existence numbers and mathematical objects

 

[Blax Blah]

this happens every now and then.

and blax often spams religious stuff anyway.

He he he =]

 

[Zenos7]

Ok, philosophers gonna do that after someone finally verify the existence numbers and mathematical objects

those are constructs humans use to describe the natural world and how it operates. not comparable tbh

 

[Blax Blah]

Eyes on the sky, there will be a day

He will come and wipe our tears away

No more fear, no more pain, no more sorrow sin and shame

The king is coming back again, a reign of love that will never end

For everything you've done, and everything you do, and everything you are, I sing to you

 

[Zenos7]

He he he =]

that wasnt a compliment

 

[Blax Blah]

that wasnt a compliment

For me it is

Come on man, you guys are hopeless, that's one of the saddest things about atheism

Why not believe?

 

[Etzel Andergast]

those are constructs humans use to describe the natural world and how it operates. not comparable tbh

I dont support nominalism

 

[Blax Blah]

Nameless you can decide to put your hope in Christ, and turn away from a life in sin, and have joy that's permanent

Romans 14:17
For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.

 

[Midnight Delight]

So you just believe their words or is there anything else which makes you believe them?

A cousin of Mine found A Box of Gold based on memories of his old life

 

[Etzel Andergast]

Okay

Don't you think it relies heavily on assumptions and speculations with no experimental verification or testable predictions?

We had many of such metaphysical claims made since the ancient times and they didn't stand the test of time or verification.

So, how one can believe such claims or conclusions to be true without any verification? Blind faith?

The thing is: you are still thinking that "being", "god", "eternity" are things that science can explain. Science only says about the behavior and structure of the physical systems. How can you verify something like "existence", "entity", "being"?

 

[Blax Blah]

Are you guys happy being hopeless?

And @AL sama are you happy working for muslim salvation?

 

[Midnight Delight]

Romans 14:17
For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost

The Holy Ghost is the Lahoot , we aren't gonna see it ever, our souls can't comprehend it

 

[Reborn]

Ok, philosophers gonna do that after someone finally verify the existence numbers and mathematical objects

Verification problem is real and I can't resort to anything blindly.

It's not like I don't appreciate philosophers. Their talks when it comes to abstract stuffs matters alot.

But just like religion, philosophy suffers from verification problem.

Interestingly, people expect Science to verify itself with experiments or predictions but they blindly believe metaphysics and religion as if they are some sort of proven and verifiable claims which they aren't.


People don't hold religion and metaphysics to the same agency of standards which they expect from science which is weird.

Science works like this:
Hypothesis --> predictions --> experiment or observations --> verification and this process goes on.

I mean Einstein's General theory of relativity is still being questioned after 100 years despite it always proven out to be true.

But metaphysics:
Premises ---> reasoning ---> conclusion

There is no external check or verification. Just blind faith.