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The thing is: you are still thinking that "being", "god", "eternity" are things that science can explain. Science only says about the behavior and structure of the physical systems. How can you verify something like "existence", "entity", "being"?
I am not thinking anything.

I am saying when something isn't verifiable then it can't be claimed with certainty
 

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People expect science to explain the fundamental nature of reality.

But here’s the problem.

There is a scale in physics called the Planck length - smallest meaningful unit of length and it's here where all our current theories break down.

General relativity and quantum mechanics doesn't work together. We are trying to unify it for decades but with no progress.

Now obviously we need to measure it to study it.

But to measure something that small, we would need a massive amount of energy.

So much energy that with our current technology, we would need a particle accelerator the size of the entire solar system.

And let's assume we somehow built it…

Then our science predicts that if we concentrate that much energy into such a tiny region, it wouldn’t reveal planck's length but it would collapse into a black hole.

In short, the moment we try to observe the deepest layer of reality… we can destroy access to it.
 
Verification problem is real and I can't resort to anything blindly.

It's not like I don't appreciate philosophers. Their talks when it comes to abstract stuffs matters alot.

But just like religion, philosophy suffers from verification problem.

Interestingly, people expect Science to verify itself with experiments or predictions but they blindly believe metaphysics and religion as if they are some sort of proven and verifiable claims which they aren't.


People don't hold religion and metaphysics to the same agency of standards which they expect from science which is weird.

Science works like this:
Hypothesis --> predictions --> experiment or observations --> verification and this process goes on.

I mean Einstein's General theory of relativity is still being questioned after 100 years despite it always proven out to be true.

But metaphysics:
Premises ---> reasoning ---> conclusion

There is no external check or verification. Just blind faith.
But my point is that science can say nothing about these stuff, because of its methodology, you will never reach an answer about that through science. Thats the whole point. Science can't even say what is the physical 😭😭😭😭

The two definitions of what is the physical was philosophy who gave: extension and information 😭😭😭😭

Science will never help about this question

And if you will only base your opinion in science then you are scientificist (someone who think that knowledge outside empirical science is not valid)

And scientificism is self defeating (no physicalist support that currently, you can take the most famous one like churchland, dennett, millikan. Thank you sellars)
 

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But my point is that science can say nothing about these stuff, because of its methodology, you will never reach an answer about that through science. Thats the whole point. Science can't even say what is the physical 😭😭😭😭

The two definitions of what is the physical was philosophy who gave: extension and information 😭😭😭😭

Science will never help about this question

And if you will only base your opinion in science then you are scientificist (someone who think that knowledge outside empirical science is not valid)

And scientificism is self defeating (no physicalist support that currently, you can take the most famous one like churchland, dennett, millikan. Thank you sellars)
You do you :kayneshrug:
 
nterestingly, people expect Science to verify itself with experiments or predictions but they blindly believe metaphysics and religion as if they are some sort of proven and verifiable claims which they aren't.


People don't hold religion and metaphysics to the same agency of standards which they expect from science which is weird.
they dont hold their own religion to the same standard they use for different religions.

if all religious people would apply the same standard they use to reject other religions, i'd bet most people would be atheist lol.
 
I am not thinking anything.

I am saying when something isn't verifiable then it can't be claimed with certainty
This is very easy to refute:

1)The sentence "something isn't verifiable then it can't be claimed with certainty" can't be verifiable empirically

2) mathematic results can't be proved by verification, but for mathematical proof that use logic instruments of proof.

3)these logic instruments (like axioms, principles, conectives) can't be verifiable either

4) there is a priori knowledge and they are much more secure than any evidence


The last person who defended verificationalism was Carnap 100 yo (refuted by his own studant, the greatest empiricist of the 20th century: Quine)
 

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they dont hold their own religion to the same standard they use for different religions.

if all religious people would apply the same standard they use to reject other religions, i'd bet most people would be atheist lol.
Lol true

To me, all religions come from the same human mind trying to answer the same questions.
 

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This is very easy to refute:

1)The sentence "something isn't verifiable then it can't be claimed with certainty" can't be verifiable empirically

2) mathematic results can't be proved by verification, but for mathematical proof that use logic instruments of proof.

3)these logic instruments (like axioms, principles, conectives) can't be verifiable either

4) there is a priori knowledge and they are much more secure than any evidence


The last person who defended verificationalism was Carnap 100 yo (refuted by his own studant, the greatest empiricist of the 20th century: Quine)
Are your trying to switch goal posts here? And, stop this comparison of metaphysics with math? Lol

There's a reason why we say Math is language of the universe lmao
 
Are your trying to switch goal posts here? And, stop this comparison of metaphysics with math? Lol

There's a reason why we say Math is language of the universe lmao
Switching the goal?

1) I'm proving that your claim is self defeating
2) i'm giving examples of knowledges that are more secure than any verificable claim
3) i'm proving that mathematics is not proved by verification, but through demonstration
 
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