Controversial General Political Discussion

[Logiko]

The Strasserites disagree

Yup. And nazism is not Strasserism.
Nazism was defined by its actions: White supremacists and capitalists, no matter what dead racist men believed in.

@Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier funny thing is that he's a White Boy lecturing PoC in this thread about how we can't be racist against white people

I would hope not to have to explain the roots of racism and the inexistence of reverse racism to racialized people, but here I am. We don't always get what we want.

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

@Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier funny thing is that he's a White Boy lecturing PoC in this thread about how we can't be racist against white people

Logiko is one of those people that think racism means oppression it seems

 

[Logiko]

Logiko is one of those people that think racism means oppression it seems

That is incomplete. Racism is a system of domination and exploitation. These two words are essential.

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

That is incomplete. Racism is a system of domination and exploitation. These two words are essential.

No, oppression is. Lol
Racism is simply prejudice or hate against a race. That's why reverse racism doesn't exist- It's just racism.

 

[Jesse Pinkman]

Mining Hormuz would just make Iran the villain of the world.

I don't think Iran will make such a suicidal move.

Thing is Iran wants recognition for Control of Hormuz. Neither Gulf nor US would agree to this.

There's no negotiation because all parties are hell bent on their stance.

No one is willing to meet and discuss.

BRICS and EU have to step up to ensure diplomatic talks and pressure all parties to back off or else these clowns would push global economy into recession

They might do it if they don't get negotiation of their term they are willing to doom everyone .

Whatever Donald is doing its dangerous game you cant deal with crazys . Killing the Ayotollah is starting to look like mistake he kept those crazy IRGC folks under control .

 

[Logiko]

No, oppression is. Lol
Racism is simply prejudice or hate against a race. That's why reverse racism doesn't exist- It's just racism.

No. A domination implies that an oppression is possible.

In the case of racism it's not a simple prejudice. It's a constructed system of domination and exploitation with oppression and repression.

Do you understand what that means, do you want me to explain in more detail?

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

No. A domination implies that an oppression is possible.

In the case of racism, it's a system of domination and exploitation with oppression and repression.

Do you understand what that means, do you want me to explain in more detail?

What do you think of heterophobia, cisphobia and misandry

 

[Jesse Pinkman]

Hormuz is basically a checkmate position Iran knows they can bleed worlds economy it will take months to reopen it forcefully. You need huge naval battalion to force through .

 

[Logiko]

What do you think of heterophobia, cisphobia and misandry

What you call "heterophobia" triggers hetero, but homophobia KILLS gays and lesbian
What you call "cisphobia" triggers cis, but transphobia KILLS trans people
What you call "misandry" triggers men, but misogyny KILLS women

Like racism, these "phobia" can't exist. Simply because they are mechanically not domination systems, they are moral panics. I know it's hard to understand at first because your first reflex must be to counter that by reactance, but please, try and Trust me, if you understand what I mean, you will understand a LOT better what I'm constantly saying here.

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

What you call "heterophobia" triggers hetero, but homophobia KILLS gays and lesbian
What you call "cisphobia" triggers cis, but transphobia KILLS trans people
What you call "misandry" triggers men, but misogyny KILLS women

Like racism, these "phobia" can't exist. Simply because they are mechanically not domination systems, they are moral panics. I know it's hard to understand at first because your first reflex must be to counter that by reactance, but please, try and Trust me, if you understand what I mean, you will understand a LOT better what I'm constantly saying here.

What about male rape victims who aren't believed because they're men (which is a more common phenomenon than you'd think)

 

[Logiko]

What about male rape victims who aren't believed because they're men (which is a more common phenomenon than you'd think)

I don't "think" it's not common, I know it's common, less than women victim, but still important. That's an effect of patriarchy mate that's what feminists are fighting to stop too.

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

That's an effect of patriarchy mate that's what feminists are fighting to stop too.

It's still sexist towards men, my brother

 

[Logiko]

It's still sexist towards men, my brother

Yeah.. no. That's not how patriarchy or adultism works

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

Yeah.. no. That's not how patriarchy or adultism works

Do you really believe it isn't sexist to believe men can't be sexually assaulted? Lol

 

[Logiko]

Do you really believe it isn't sexist to believe men can't be sexually assaulted? Lol

Sexism is, again, part of patriarchy, which is a system of domination. Structure and perpetuated by men and women for men.

It's a bit complicated but overall, the principle is this : There are no system of domination over men, but there is a system of domination of men overwomen benefiting but ALSO destroying men.

> When you can't express your emotion as a man, it's an effect of patriarchy
> When you can't express that you are a victim of abuse, it's an effect of patriarchy
> When you are abused by women, it can be because of patriarchy (marginalized masculinities mostly) but it's mainly due to adultism
> If you constantly feel that you need to compete with other men, it's an effect of patriarchy
> If you feel uneasy in society in front of your own feelings and emotions, it's also an effect of patriarchy
Etc.

Patriarchy is a system of domination of men over women, BUT it also important to understand that it affects men as well. Many men here have been abused as a child and they will never talk about it, mainly because of patriarchy (and adultism ofc)

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

Sexism is, again, part of patriarchy, which is a system of domination. Structure and perpetuated by men and women for men.

It's a bit complicated but overall, the principle is this : There are no system of domination over men, but there is a system of domination of men overwomen benefiting but ALSO destroying men.

> When you can't express your emotion as a man, it's an effect of patriarchy
> When you can't express that you are a victim of abuse, it's an effect of patriarchy
> When you are abused by women, it can be because of patriarchy (marginalized masculinities mostly) but it's mainly due to adultism
> If you constantly feel that you need to compete with other men, it's an effect of patriarchy
> If you feel uneasy in society in front of your own feelings and emotions, it's also an effect of patriarchy
Etc.

Patriarchy is a system of domination of men over women, BUT it also important to understand that it affects men as well. Many men here have been abused as a child and they will never talk about it, mainly because of patriarchy (and adultism ofc)

Yes and that's sexism genius.
People either not believing certain men who were abused or shaming them is sexist.

 

[Logiko]

Yes and that's sexism genius.

No.

Shaming men is not "sexist", it's a patriarcal behavior. It's "patriarcal" (you could say "masculinist", but that also englobs other things so it's not ideal)

Patriarchy does not only means "men are sexist". It means there is something bigger than you and me that is structuring the entierity of society. A system of domination over women that the entire society is participating in and where men have benefits but can also be destroyed as a side effect.

By nature of its structure, patriarchy can't create systemic oppression and therefore sexism against men. There will be after effects (the ones I developped), but these are not "sexism against men", they are the structural results of the domination of women. Because each one of the thing I just listed (or the shame for the call out of abuse), are actually social behavior weaponized against WOMEN.

This is fundamental to understand patriarchy and every system of domination overall.

Structures creates domination. For sexism against men to exist, there would need to be a domination of women OVER men from the start. So just like in the reverse racism video, you would need a time machine and - as a woman - you would need to create the necessary gender norms to push the balance of power in your favor and dominate men physically, mentally, financially, morally etc. from the very start : the neolithic.

 

[Midnight Delight]

It's frustrating how people like Andrew Tate are only gonna grow more powerful because of toxic Leftist Dogmas

 

[Jesse Pinkman]

It's frustrating how people like Andrew Tate are only gonna grow more powerful because of toxic Leftist Dogmas

His audience are far right boys who cant get ladies . I wont take an advise from a man who rubs a escort business in Romania.

 

[Logiko]

It's frustrating how people like Andrew Tate are only gonna grow more powerful because of toxic Leftist Dogmas

There is no such thing as reactance of far rightist because of leftists dogma. people will vote for their interests or what they perceive are their interest, not because the left ask them to respect women too much. And sometimes their vote will be racists or mysoginist. Your reaction here is a common moral panic of the conservatist rightist who usually partially agree with said masculinist/racist values and therefore understand the reject of leftist and prograssive beliefs, but also rejects since people like you guyz usually don't do that because of fear of us, I know, I was like that once. You do that because you don't want to understand leftist and because critical thinking and self-questionning would be harder than stopping perpetuating politics made for your interest, could be patriarcal, could be racial, could be ableist etc.