Remind me why do sword fans and admiral fans seem to hate or downplay Loki?? Is it purely for powerscaling reasons?
1. He´s stronger then the characters they like/the majority of fandom thinks so, because he has things to his name
2. Zoro fans wanted Zoro to have Loki´s role, where it would be revealed that Ryuma rivaled Imcel/Soyboy/Nika and that Luffy and Zoro would team up against Imu and be treated equally as 2 gods.
 
Oda brought Pound back when he had no reason to live. You think too deeply about these things.
At least Kidd is a Conqueror who's also awakened.
Sure, but I’m not saying it’s literally impossible for Kid to still be alive. I’m just saying that I think it’s more likely than not that he’s actually just dead. I mean would you genuinely argue that Vergo and Monet have a realistic chance of randomly showing up again just because their deaths weren’t explicitly confirmed?
 
@Fujishiro @Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier @soupongo Tbh by biggest issue with the “Shanks played dirty to capture Loki” theory is that, why has it not already been revealed? Wouldn’t it make the most sense to reveal that when we were in the peak of Loki hype? I really don’t see what would be the narrative purpose in just randomly revealing after Elbaf that Shanks cheated. That really wouldn’t accomplish anything because downplay Shanks since we already know Loki is the real deal.
 
@Fujishiro @Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier @soupongo Tbh by biggest issue with the “Shanks played dirty to capture Loki” theory is that, why has it not already been revealed? Wouldn’t it make the most sense to reveal that when we were in the peak of Loki hype? I really don’t see what would be the narrative purpose in just randomly revealing after Elbaf that Shanks cheated. That really wouldn’t accomplish anything because downplay Shanks since we already know Loki is the real deal.
We´ve already had this argument bro.

It hasn´t been revealed because the Shanks/Loki plot is being saved for the end of the arc, same reason why we don´t know where Shanks told Loki where he went. The only parts of Loki´s life we saw is the stuff related to Imu, because Imu is the arc villain(and a little set up from when he was like 5 years old)
 
Can you prove me Shanks fought in a 1v1 Loki with no crew around?

Is this confirmed?
Don’t need to. Were told it was shanks that stopped him and that Loki had his own crew of ancient giants that fought alongside him.

And timeline wise it was the only thing that occurred at that timeframe.

Again, we’re told Shanks beat him and Loki has a vendetta against him, you need to provide proof that Loki and Gaban are lying
 
Lol SakazOuki is an Danzou fan and RyoQ is a Twearkbull fan, they have no credibility. The real Admiral chads are supporting Loki.
Lol even if I'm often up against admiral agenda it's a shame to see the internal division:risitears:


Superboy Prime, not the Current Superboy Prime bozo, the Definitive Superboy Prime
No yea I meant Superboy prime. I read all of Infinite Crisis and Legion of 3 Worlds where he was the Time Monitor longgggg time ago holy shit. I thought he used to be unpopular but I loved his ass. Everything he did was top notch and his battle with Sodom Yat Green Lantern was fucking peak. The way he ate uranium rods and called it breakfast was hilarious. Also in Legion when they finally made kryptonite he was weak against and he just killed the mf by throwing that rock back at him LMAOOOO

I hated when they trapped him in that wall shit. Did he get reboot again or smtg
 
We´ve already had this argument bro.

It hasn´t been revealed because the Shanks/Loki plot is being saved for the end of the arc, same reason why we don´t know where Shanks told Loki where he went. The only parts of Loki´s life we saw is the stuff related to Imu, because Imu is the arc villain(and a little set up from when he was like 5 years old)
Everything seems to point to Shanks and Loki coming to blows over Shanks not wanting Loki to attack the Holy Land too soon. No offense but I think a lot of you are just letting your preconceptions about how strong Shanks can be distort your reasoning. Shanks is already getting wanked as the Child of Destiny who has Haki comparable to Joyboy, so him beating a pre-prime Loki (who hasn’t awakened yet and isn’t even aware of his own ACoC) isn’t too surprising. It is kinda weird how hard Oda powercliffed PK level fighters but it is what it is.

I get that a lot of other stuff we heard about Loki was a lie, but to be frank, it was pretty obvious since the start of the arc what the narrative purpose of those lies were (Oda wanting to “surprise” the readers by having Loki actually be a good guy, and have a twist with Harald). There really is no clear narrative purpose for everyone to be lying about Shanks beating Loki fairly. There really is no good reason for them to not just credit the entire RHPs if it was a group effort, and I think it’s pretty delusional to think that a character like Shanks would resort to poisoning him or anything like that
 
Sure, but I’m not saying it’s literally impossible for Kid to still be alive. I’m just saying that I think it’s more likely than not that he’s actually just dead. I mean would you genuinely argue that Vergo and Monet have a realistic chance of randomly showing up again just because their deaths weren’t explicitly confirmed?
Monet's heart was stabbed, and Vergo while not explicitly confirmed was still cut up into several pieces by Law with no one to help him get out before the explosion/poison gas got to him.
Those two are basically confirmed as dead. Kidd isn't. All he did was fall into the ocean, which both Big Mom and Luffy were saved from.
I dont think Loki would’ve beaten Harald directly. Harald like Dory and Brogy was brought back to his senses on his own for a reason.

If Loki could’ve killed him, oda would’ve made it clear by having Harald be defeated while mind controlled just like he usually does.
For one, Harald straight up tells everyone in the castle that Loki NEEDS to eat the fruit as he's the only person who can defeat him when he loses his mind and goes berserk on them. He tells them that Loki with the fruit is decisively above himself.
Two, Oda had him snap out of it before Loki killed him because he wanted to give them one last moment together before Harald was gone forever. It wouldn't have hit as hard if Loki never talked to him about Ida's death and about how they loved eachother before being forced to put him down.
 
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