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In Europe Jews are divided between supporting Israel's action, denouncing Israel's action but supporting Israel's "right" to exist and decolonial jew who are antifascist and are denouncing the genocide but also the current status of Israel as a country.
All non-native Israelians are - by nature - colonists. But yeah, thankfully, people are fighting back the law, but it's peanuts. The majority of Israeli are aligning with the fascist and genocidal actions of the Israelian gov. And most of those who fight against do not question the state of Israel as a colonial and appartheid state. Only very few scholars and people are actually questionning the legitimacy of Israel as a state and the action against Palestinian.
All non-native Israelians are - by nature - colonists. But yeah, thankfully, people are fighting back the law, but it's peanuts. The majority of Israeli are aligning with the fascist and genocidal actions of the Israelian gov. And most of those who fight against do not question the state of Israel as a colonial and appartheid state. Only very few scholars and people are actually questionning the legitimacy of Israel as a state and the action against Palestinian.
A lot of leftists basically use leftism as their religion.
it’s the reason why extreme antizionists basically reach the same conclusions as jihadists
Whereas the jihadist ascribed absolute evil to Israel by associating it with Satan, leftists do the same thing via the characterization of it as a settler colony.
This isn’t to say that the settler colonial paradigm is invalid, there is some truth in using it to understand I/P. But the way in which fanatical antizionists associate settler colonialism with absolute evil is basically a secularized version of religious thinking.
it’s the reason why extreme antizionists basically reach the same conclusions as jihadists
Whereas the jihadist ascribed absolute evil to Israel by associating it with Satan, leftists do the same thing via the characterization of it as a settler colony.
This isn’t to say that the settler colonial paradigm is invalid, there is some truth in using it to understand I/P. But the way in which fanatical antizionists associate settler colonialism with absolute evil is basically a secularized version of religious thinking.
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Say it with me, everyone…NOT A TRANS PERSON, BUT A MAGAT ONCE AGAIN JUST LIKE EVERY SINGLE OTHER TIME
Say it with me, everyone…NOT A TRANS PERSON, BUT A MAGAT ONCE AGAIN JUST LIKE EVERY SINGLE OTHER TIME
Settler colonialism IS EVIL
It's a SYSTEMIC OPPRESSION, exploitation and destruction of people's ressources and lives. You have absolutely no understanding of what colonialism is so let me gave it to you straight for the last freaking time:
Israel is a colonial, fascist, genocidal and appartheid state. Meaning that it can exist without being a colonial and therefore oppressive state by nature against a population that is still fighting to survive. If noone stop them, then the state will continue the genocide of multiple poopulation and their colonization of the entire territories around them. Now.. Unless you want to defend this, there is no other good words than: "Israel must go"
And that's not religious thinking. That's thinking backed by researchs, and the fucking blood of people dying under an appartheid, war crimes, crimes against humanity, genocide and now systemic extermination.
Do you want to see the the real life impact of zionism on the dismembered heads, torso and limb of children???? No because I have the links ready for you to finally take the slap of reality that you need if that's what you want.
Now, we have the question of the "by any means necessary". And while I agree that we shouldn't attack random civilians, you don't have a say in the way people fight this type of oppression. Especially when you are continuously trying to diminish the impact and danger of Zionism or colonialism. Zionism is a supremacism. That's not a leftist religious fantasy, that's a freaking sociological and historical fact documented by scholar far more intelligent than both of us.
Being antizionist and against colonialism is not only a duty, it's an ethical necessity.
@$#£ !! He managed to trigger me before sleep.
It's a SYSTEMIC OPPRESSION, exploitation and destruction of people's ressources and lives. You have absolutely no understanding of what colonialism is so let me gave it to you straight for the last freaking time:
Israel is a colonial, fascist, genocidal and appartheid state. Meaning that it can exist without being a colonial and therefore oppressive state by nature against a population that is still fighting to survive. If noone stop them, then the state will continue the genocide of multiple poopulation and their colonization of the entire territories around them. Now.. Unless you want to defend this, there is no other good words than: "Israel must go"
And that's not religious thinking. That's thinking backed by researchs, and the fucking blood of people dying under an appartheid, war crimes, crimes against humanity, genocide and now systemic extermination.
Do you want to see the the real life impact of zionism on the dismembered heads, torso and limb of children???? No because I have the links ready for you to finally take the slap of reality that you need if that's what you want.
Now, we have the question of the "by any means necessary". And while I agree that we shouldn't attack random civilians, you don't have a say in the way people fight this type of oppression. Especially when you are continuously trying to diminish the impact and danger of Zionism or colonialism. Zionism is a supremacism. That's not a leftist religious fantasy, that's a freaking sociological and historical fact documented by scholar far more intelligent than both of us.
Being antizionist and against colonialism is not only a duty, it's an ethical necessity.
@$#£ !! He managed to trigger me before sleep.
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What is good and what is evil are the basis of religious thinking.
You say it’s not religious, but your political ideology basically serves the same purpose in your life as religion does in other people’s
You say it’s not religious, but your political ideology basically serves the same purpose in your life as religion does in other people’s
- It tells you what is good and what is evil
- It gives your life purpose and meaning
- If you’re involved in any activism, it probably gives you community as well
Kinda, idk
I don’t think leftists are inherently wrong because they believe things passionately. Everyone has some form of deeply held beliefs.
A lot of @Logiko ’s criticisms of Israel and Zionism do have merit.
But leftism is still subject to the same failings as other schools of thought.
Like a lot of this has less to do with the inherent “nature of Israel” and more to do with the overall political climate in the Middle East.
They’re kinda in the same position Europe was in 100+ years ago wherein you have a bunch of nations(Israel included) that are undemocratic and ultranationalist.
It creates a climate of perpetual war. Anyways the way out of this isn’t necessarily via the “destruction” of Israel, Iran, etc. but a transformation of the institutions in these countries and an overall commitment to peace across the board.
I don’t think leftists are inherently wrong because they believe things passionately. Everyone has some form of deeply held beliefs.
A lot of @Logiko ’s criticisms of Israel and Zionism do have merit.
But leftism is still subject to the same failings as other schools of thought.
Like a lot of this has less to do with the inherent “nature of Israel” and more to do with the overall political climate in the Middle East.
They’re kinda in the same position Europe was in 100+ years ago wherein you have a bunch of nations(Israel included) that are undemocratic and ultranationalist.
It creates a climate of perpetual war. Anyways the way out of this isn’t necessarily via the “destruction” of Israel, Iran, etc. but a transformation of the institutions in these countries and an overall commitment to peace across the board.
These twitter handles do not report complete truth.
Law applies to Palestinians detainees who are guilty of killin Israelis and not to all Palestinian detainees.
Having that said, this irks of two tier justice system and is highly discriminatory.
The trust deficit and dislike for US are getting tickle down to the masses.
New administration might try to get along with NATO and other allies but building bridges and trust would take decades of serious efforts.
Even if US try it's best, the World would still try to become self reliant or diversify to protect their own national interests.
Well Russia as an ally is far better than having US or China lol
Law applies to Palestinians detainees who are guilty of killin Israelis and not to all Palestinian detainees.
Having that said, this irks of two tier justice system and is highly discriminatory.
The trust deficit and dislike for US are getting tickle down to the masses.
New administration might try to get along with NATO and other allies but building bridges and trust would take decades of serious efforts.
Even if US try it's best, the World would still try to become self reliant or diversify to protect their own national interests.
Well Russia as an ally is far better than having US or China lol
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We are at a crossroad where there's a visible pushback against both globalization and illegal immigration.
Many societies are experiencing rapid economic and cultural shifts.
Jobs have moved overseas in many sectors. Wage growth has stagnated for large sections of the population.
Technology especially AI is increasing uncertainty about jobs.
These shifts have made cultural identity more politically charged when social change is happening at much faster pace.
This has created a demand for economic and cultural protection.
Right leaning leaders have picked up on these sentiments and aligned themselves with the issues majority of the population faces.
Their messaging resonates with the majority because it directly addresses security, identity, and economic stability, the core concerns of this phase.
On the other hand, many left leaning movements have focused more on social justice, Inclusion, minority rights.
These are important issues but in the current global situation they are often perceived as secondary to economic insecurity and cultural concerns and leftist leaders often put these concerns on the backseat or don't directly provide an economic vision that competes with protectionist narratives.
To make matters worse, there's lack of connection with the majority of the masses. A clear communication gap.
I don't know if I am right but I have seen liberals and leftist protests in the west recently and hardly saw any prominent leader present on the ground with these protestors.
War situations and changing geoplotical situations across the world favors right leaning more as well.
Many societies are experiencing rapid economic and cultural shifts.
Jobs have moved overseas in many sectors. Wage growth has stagnated for large sections of the population.
Technology especially AI is increasing uncertainty about jobs.
These shifts have made cultural identity more politically charged when social change is happening at much faster pace.
This has created a demand for economic and cultural protection.
Right leaning leaders have picked up on these sentiments and aligned themselves with the issues majority of the population faces.
Their messaging resonates with the majority because it directly addresses security, identity, and economic stability, the core concerns of this phase.
On the other hand, many left leaning movements have focused more on social justice, Inclusion, minority rights.
These are important issues but in the current global situation they are often perceived as secondary to economic insecurity and cultural concerns and leftist leaders often put these concerns on the backseat or don't directly provide an economic vision that competes with protectionist narratives.
To make matters worse, there's lack of connection with the majority of the masses. A clear communication gap.
I don't know if I am right but I have seen liberals and leftist protests in the west recently and hardly saw any prominent leader present on the ground with these protestors.
War situations and changing geoplotical situations across the world favors right leaning more as well.
Yes. but here we are talking about ethic. The word was used to show you that you didn't understand the problem.
No. We don't define what good and evil, we define what is ethical and what is not and use your definition of evil to equate the unthetical to it for people like you to understand.
But yeah, it give purpse, meaning and community. Which is perfectly fine and something that is not a religious thing, but a social pattern since we are, spoiler, a social specie who needs purpose.
They can be be. But in practice, a lot less.
No. It has everything to do with the political organization and structure of the state. The situation in the middle east is a direct consequence of this organization.
Most - if not all - nations in the world are undemocratic and ultranationalist. The middle east is not that special. It's just more dehumanized by the west.
There are no really democratic country on this planet.
In reality, it's just a branch of leftism. The globality of leftism attacks capitalism.
We don't have this problem in France, while leftist leaders are usually not amazing, they are in the streets with leftist most of the times.
No. We don't define what good and evil, we define what is ethical and what is not and use your definition of evil to equate the unthetical to it for people like you to understand.
But yeah, it give purpse, meaning and community. Which is perfectly fine and something that is not a religious thing, but a social pattern since we are, spoiler, a social specie who needs purpose.
They can be be. But in practice, a lot less.
No. It has everything to do with the political organization and structure of the state. The situation in the middle east is a direct consequence of this organization.
Most - if not all - nations in the world are undemocratic and ultranationalist. The middle east is not that special. It's just more dehumanized by the west.
There are no really democratic country on this planet.
In reality, it's just a branch of leftism. The globality of leftism attacks capitalism.
We don't have this problem in France, while leftist leaders are usually not amazing, they are in the streets with leftist most of the times.