Questions & Mysteries Blackbeard will seize the treasure of Mariejois and usurp Imu as the final villain

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

Yeah, but I don't really know why this Mosa-Shirahoshi nonsense kept being around. At least other clearly wrong theories like Gaban-man marked by flames were abandoned.

It can't be Shirahoshi, if not for simple logic (and there are various reasons for that), because of clear hints and proofs it's not her:

1) Shirahoshi talks differently:

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2) Also, I know Oda is senile, but in the manga Shirahoshi literally said that she could only talk to Megalo:

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Not to mention it makes no sense and there is no logical connection for Loki to have ramdomly get a Deden mushy of Shiraoshi, Denden musho who doesn't even have Shirahoshi's features, etc.

Am I crazy or wasn't she only a shut in because that pedophile with the marksman fruit kept trying to kill her?
And I'm pretty sure he got locked up at the end of FMI.

 

[Dragon777]

Mosa tells Loki they’re in trouble and the Harald flashback basically confirmed that Mosa is Shirahoshi.

Harald's FB confirmed nothing lol.
We've already had this discussion: there are multiple proofs, if not common sense, which disproves in any way Mosa being Shirahoshi.

It was a good enough theory at first glance, but digging deeper (and even actually reading FI) shows that it would be a retcon if nothing else. Not to mention the way of speaking doesn't match, not to mention there is aboslutely no connection between pirate Loki chained to a tree fro six years and Shirahoshi and so on.

 

[Kair0s1]

You literally have this backwards. Blackbeard cant take the throne unless he becomes PK. Thats literally the point of the series. You need whatever is in LT to do it. He wouldn't have attacked Law if his goal was Imu's seat directly. Thus he is destined to lose because he wont become Pirate King first.

The same reasons why Kaido or Big Mom didn't and didnt get ancient weapons. Villains lose in this story.

It does answer the question, his role is to be like all other stepping stone villains, relevant in his arc and then discarded.

I can hardly name a single villain that achieved their overall goal, can you?

Blackbeard's ultimate goal is the throne.

The understanding so far is that the One Piece will be found before the final battle against the WG, so it can't be the real stake.

Vegapunk said that the fate of the world will be decided by whoever finds the One Piece. And among the contenders there are both Imu and Blackbeard.
It doesn’t really matter who sits on the throne. The real winner is the one who finds the treasure.
Blackbeard will reach his peak and become the king of the world, and then he’ll fight Luffy for the One Piece, obviously losing like every other villain.

 

[Paperchampion23]

Yeah, but I don't really know why this Mosa-Shirahoshi nonsense kept being around. At least other clearly wrong theories like Gaban-man marked by flames were abandoned.

It can't be Shirahoshi, if not for simple logic (and there are various reasons for that), because of clear hints and proofs it's not her:

1) Shirahoshi talks differently:

Spoiler

2) Also, I know Oda is senile, but in the manga Shirahoshi literally said that she could only talk to Megalo:

Spoiler

Not to mention it makes no sense and there is no logical connection for Loki to have ramdomly get a Deden mushy of Shiraoshi, Denden musho who doesn't even have Shirahoshi's features, etc.

I wont argue her mannerisms but she's been free since Luffy went to FI and this quite literally hints at it being her.

 

[Dragon777]

Am I crazy or wasn't she only a shut in because that pedophile with the marksman fruit kept trying to kill her?
And I'm pretty sure he got locked up at the end of FMI.

She was imprisoned ten years ago.

 

[Paperchampion23]

Vegapunk said that the fate of the world will be decided by whoever finds the One Piece. And among the contenders there are both Imu and Blackbeard.
It doesn’t really matter who sits on the throne. The real winner is the one who finds the treasure.
Blackbeard will reach his peak and become the king of the world, and then he’ll fight Luffy for the One Piece, obviously losing like every other villain.

Once again, backwards. You cannot become King of the World without becoming Pirate King first. Thats why finding One Piece is the point.

 

[Dragon777]

I wont argue her mannerisms but she's been free since Luffy went to FI and this quite literally hints at it being her.
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Yeah, and in this month someone magically and totally randomly brought Loki a Denden of the mermaid princess?

The "Mosa" thing was a good hint as any, just like Gaban having a flame-shaped scar and so being the man burned by flames, and a thousand others.

 

[Paperchampion23]

Yeah, and in this month someone magically and totally randomly brought Loki a Denden of the mermaid princess?

The "Mosa" thing was a good hint as any, just like Gaban having a flame-shaped scar and so being the man burned by flames, and a thousand others.

He was brought a den den mushi at some point regardless bro. We have no idea how sovereigns talk to each other and get shit done.

The important part is Harald and Neptune were friends and proposed their children be tied together.

All im saying is its our only hint.

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

She was imprisoned ten years ago.

One of us isn't understanding the other here.
I'm saying that the Vander Decken guy is the reason she was stuck in her room for so long, and when Luffy came there they found that guy and locked him up, meaning she was able to go anywhere she wanted now. Basically, she's not a shut in anymore, so she totally can talk to other people besides Megalo (like Loki).

 

[OnePiss22]

I think this arc makes it clear so far that at one point during the 2nd world Davy Jones stood upon the throne as the king of the world yet Imu came and beat him but not before he was cursed by him

 

[Sir Yasheen]

Harald's FB confirmed nothing lol.
We've already had this discussion: there are multiple proofs, if not common sense, which disproves in any way Mosa being Shirahoshi.

It was a good enough theory at first glance, but digging deeper (and even actually reading FI) shows that it would be a retcon if nothing else. Not to mention the way of speaking doesn't match, not to mention there is aboslutely no connection between pirate Loki chained to a tree fro six years and Shirahoshi and so on.

So you think it’s a coincidence that someone who is connected to Harald and has a strong relationship with the Elbaf royal family to the point of discussing a political marriage had the nickname Mosa as well?

Also do you think someone can’t speak differently to a friend they’ve been talking to for years vs a person they just met?

 

[Dragon777]

He was brought a den den mushi at some point regardless bro. We have no idea how sovereigns talk to each other and get shit done.

The important part is Harald and Neptune were friends and proposed their children be tied together.

All im saying is its our only hint.

Yeah, with the only notable difference than almost anyone is more probable than the reclusive princess of fishman Island being in contact with the most hated and guarded evil prince of Erbaf, chained to the Adam tree in Erbaf.

Makes immensely more sense It's someone on Erbaf or someone directly connected to his plot.

The "Mosa" Is the same as the falme shaped Scar. No one Is arguing It's not a hint, Just like no one argue that wasn't a hint It was Gaban the man.
Only, as with Shirahoshi, other hints clearly go against that.

 

[Dragon777]

One of us isn't understanding the other here.
I'm saying that the Vander Decken guy is the reason she was stuck in her room for so long, and when Luffy came there they found that guy and locked him up, meaning she was able to go anywhere she wanted now. Basically, she's not a shut in anymore, so she totally can talk to other people besides Megalo (like Loki).

Ok, now I got It.

Then I have said before: It would be complete and total nonsense that in this month someone brought a DenDen mushi of the princess of FI to the demonic prince of Erbaf chained to a Tree.

Would be literally the most random thing ever.

 

[Sir Yasheen]

Yeah, with the only notable difference than almost anyone is more probable than the reclusive princess of fishman Island being in contact with the most hated and guarded evil prince of Erbaf, chained to the Adam tree in Erbaf.

Makes immensely more sense It's someone on Erbaf or someone directly connected to his plot.

The "Mosa" Is the same as the falme shaped Scar. No one Is arguing It's not a hint, Just like no one argue that wasn't a hint It was Gaban the man.
Only, as with Shirahoshi, other hints clearly go against that.

So who is Mosa then? Just some random person who oda will pull out of nowhere?

Cause at this point this just sounds like denial like when you said Dragon was going to remain a marine after god valley.

 

[Fujishiro]

Yawn.

 

[kekaro]

Yawn.

Trust in the fatties

 

[Dragon777]

So you think it’s a coincidence that someone who is connected to Harald and has a strong relationship with the Elbaf royal family to the point of discussing a political marriage had the nickname Mosa as well?

Also do you think someone can’t speak differently to a friend they’ve been talking to for years vs a person they just met?

Do you think it's a coincidece that someone who knew were all RPG were and even went to Raftel was presented to us with a flame shaped burn marks then?

* Again, Shirahoshi hasn't talked to anybody during the last years. She told us the only ahe could talk to was Megalo.

 

[OnePiss22]

realistically Mosa can only be Shirahoshi (high chance), Biblo (random as fuck) or some random person in Heaven world

lore of Occam’s Razor would say it’s Shirahoshi

 

[Fujishiro]

Trust in the fatties

Fatties need to hit the gym.

 

[Sir Yasheen]

Do you think it's a coincidece that someone who knew were all RPG were and even went to Raftel was presented to us with a flame shaped burn marks then?

* Again, Shirahoshi hasn't talked to anybody during the last years. She told us the only ahe could talk to was Megalo.

No? Because I also believe it’s obvious that Gabans the Burn scar man…

Shirahoshi literally hid a secret about her mother’s death for a decade. You think she can’t lie about talking to someone?