General & Others Are we happy with the Narutozation of OP?
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wow, what was I doing 8 years back?
Reincarnations,
Ancient People becoming Main Villains,
From Simple Martial Arts to so-called Gods Fighting,
Chosen One & Prophecy,
Devil & his Demonic Army/Vassals/Clan,
And much more,
All of these were taken straight from Dragon Ball, not Boruto's Dad lol
You wanna know what's next?
I honestly don't know what People expected, it was always obvious that One Piece Final Saga is gonna be about Demons/Underworld & Kami/Heaven (Basically combination of Skypiea & Impel Down Saga),
Imu's Design looks like if Enel was a Devil,
I think We will meet later another Villain who is like if Magellan was a Kami,
If Devil Imu was hidden at the Top of The World (Basically Heaven World),
Then Kami of One Piece is hidden at the Bottom of The World,
Also, people forget that there is a Silhouette far older than Imu's & Joy Boy's & Nika's ... etc and still not revealed yet, "Vander Decken".
(An Actual Pirate)
As Beckman said: "Cheap? Don't be ridiculous. Who did you think you were fighting, Saints?"
Followed by Shanks saying: "These men in front of your Eyes... are Pirates!"
As much as Imu is Powerful & Resourceful, his Rules & Laws & Contracts will be his Downfall eventually, and being a "Saint" doesn't help.
Pirates are those who don't play by the book, and in an Arc that started with Colon acting as Luffy in a Bar similar to Chapter 1,
I have no doubt that there are gonna be a lot of Chapter 1 References from now on.
Ancient People becoming Main Villains,
From Simple Martial Arts to so-called Gods Fighting,
Chosen One & Prophecy,
Devil & his Demonic Army/Vassals/Clan,
And much more,
All of these were taken straight from Dragon Ball, not Boruto's Dad lol
You wanna know what's next?
Imu turns out to be Half of an Entity, and other Half represents Kami of One Piece (Basically Gan Fall of World),
Kami of OPVerse is it's Guardian Deity (Basically what Yamato, Chaka/Pell, Neptune ... etc are but for entire World),
There is some Egg related to Imu or Demons in general (Maybe Oro Jackson Egg),
Joy Boy & Davy Jones turning out to be students of some other Legendary Figure (Master Mutaito of One Piece),
Think of them like Franky & Iceberg with Tom, while Imu & his Holy Knights are like CP-9,
And Oda gonna Introduced some Technique or Technology that can seal likes of Imu, who wants to kill anyone who might learn it,
Some Legendary Old Man gonna die trying to Defeat Imu,
... etc
Kami of OPVerse is it's Guardian Deity (Basically what Yamato, Chaka/Pell, Neptune ... etc are but for entire World),
There is some Egg related to Imu or Demons in general (Maybe Oro Jackson Egg),
Joy Boy & Davy Jones turning out to be students of some other Legendary Figure (Master Mutaito of One Piece),
Think of them like Franky & Iceberg with Tom, while Imu & his Holy Knights are like CP-9,
And Oda gonna Introduced some Technique or Technology that can seal likes of Imu, who wants to kill anyone who might learn it,
Some Legendary Old Man gonna die trying to Defeat Imu,
... etc
I honestly don't know what People expected, it was always obvious that One Piece Final Saga is gonna be about Demons/Underworld & Kami/Heaven (Basically combination of Skypiea & Impel Down Saga),
Imu's Design looks like if Enel was a Devil,
I think We will meet later another Villain who is like if Magellan was a Kami,
If Devil Imu was hidden at the Top of The World (Basically Heaven World),
Then Kami of One Piece is hidden at the Bottom of The World,
Also, people forget that there is a Silhouette far older than Imu's & Joy Boy's & Nika's ... etc and still not revealed yet, "Vander Decken".
(An Actual Pirate)
As Beckman said: "Cheap? Don't be ridiculous. Who did you think you were fighting, Saints?"
Followed by Shanks saying: "These men in front of your Eyes... are Pirates!"
As much as Imu is Powerful & Resourceful, his Rules & Laws & Contracts will be his Downfall eventually, and being a "Saint" doesn't help.
Pirates are those who don't play by the book, and in an Arc that started with Colon acting as Luffy in a Bar similar to Chapter 1,
I have no doubt that there are gonna be a lot of Chapter 1 References from now on.
Well atleast it's good to know that Imu is just a human with a DF and not some interdimensional entity.
He's like the next step, but not 19steps above the already established characters.
In Naruto terms he's more like Rinnegan hitting the scene and far away from some Kaguya lvl of nonsense.
I also appreciate how destiny & inherited will in effect is primarily taken care of via DFs or more specifically Zoan souls and their awakening requirements.
It's a relatively tame implementation for that type of stuff.
He's like the next step, but not 19steps above the already established characters.
In Naruto terms he's more like Rinnegan hitting the scene and far away from some Kaguya lvl of nonsense.
I also appreciate how destiny & inherited will in effect is primarily taken care of via DFs or more specifically Zoan souls and their awakening requirements.
It's a relatively tame implementation for that type of stuff.
This has way better setup than Kaguya shit, Gorosei and the World Government as the source of every man’s problem was introduced early in the story. We see it in full effect on Sabaody, and it’s close to a decade by now when Imu was first introduced as the ring leader. The main villains never changed.
I’m a narutard but Oda is a far more competent writer in terms of world building and planning than Kishi
I’m a narutard but Oda is a far more competent writer in terms of world building and planning than Kishi
Everystory is ripping others stories, without this principle, there is no story. It's the principle of influence an creativity. The nuance comes in the fact that good stories are usually using the reference with mindfullness. Which is exactly what Oda does.
He uses the references he grew up and learned with, and elevates their thematics or elements to create something new and beautiful.
He uses the references he grew up and learned with, and elevates their thematics or elements to create something new and beautiful.
If you could go back in time and ask me around 2007 this question, I would tell you that Luffy was going to be tied to the Ancient Kingdom, as the chosen one even then.
For Imu, well, it was really obvious there was someone above the Gorosei, simply for the fact there was never one among them who was the clear-cut leader. And once we learned the people of Mariejois thought they were gods, well, it should be obvious there was then a God-King.
For Imu, well, it was really obvious there was someone above the Gorosei, simply for the fact there was never one among them who was the clear-cut leader. And once we learned the people of Mariejois thought they were gods, well, it should be obvious there was then a God-King.
What is funny is that people believe Luffy to be a chosen one, but again, let me repeat what I said a year or so ago: Luffy is not a "chosen one", he is "one who was chosen by circoumstances"
Luffy just happens to have ONE specific traits in common with ancient history : His D. name. That's all, end of the line. D. is absolutely not some kind of natural superiority of some sort (at least up to this point), it's the simple mark of a clan, a mark of history, something to be remember through the ages. And when we reflect, we understand very clearly why the attitudes of most of the D. in history is so special.
Imagine you know your clan will be hunted down through history, yet, you want to make your ennemy remember the menace you represent. Well, in the One Piece world where the "will" of character can even shape reality.. The only way to do that is to raise multiple generations of childrens with strong enough values and strenght of character to shape history itself. Mecanically, all the D. will feel the governmental repression in one way or another, so when you add this repression to a revolutionnary mindset who will question and rebel against everybits of gov system and pass all of that down generation after generation through history after adding a bit of romance... well you end up with characters like Luffy, Blackbeard, Garp. Etc.
Secondly
People don't realize it, but we are not in a universe where every possible outcome is possible. We are in a universe where the future is known (even if it appears as an unpredictibility locally) and can be predicted looooooong in advance. And in One Piece, characters uses the knowledge of the future to influence it. (ex: Oden knew that a group of Pirates would come strike Kaido and Toki knew that it would be the right moment in history to send Momo and the Akazaya)
This has a very specific consequence : it creates a paradox.
In reality, what characters know and predict are the consequences of their own actions. Ex: Toki sent Momo into the future thinking that he would arrive at the time of the group taking down Kaido to help him, but it is her action, with Oden's knowledge influenced by Joyboy prediction (probably), that triggered the chain of events which concluded in taking down Kaido.
In short, the entire story is about fate, but not the kind people are thinking. There is no fundamental force of nature ruling the character's lives... it's only... happening because of the actions of characters.
The great principle is this : there is no chosen one. There are only people who end up "being chosen" by the circoumstance of the impact of their own existence, past, present and future and their actions in consequences to that.
What Joyboy wrote and probably felt (him or someone else), is the ripples in time created by the impact of the strawhat's actions. But these actions are only possible because he and others chose to do what they did to passed down the torch. So Joyboy felt the impact of his OWN future action.
People are usually very hasty to call out parameters of stories that are present in everything they love already. It's usually not a wise thing to do. A story is not bad because of the trope they use, even if its the chosen one or the one who was chosen (which is something we can deduce since chapter 1 or even chapter 99. Stories are bad when they use these tropes badly.
The problem of Naruto was not the usage of gods. Naruto was never a "chosen one", just like Luffy, he build his strenght through his own work in an non-western world where fate STILL holds a lot of romantic weight despite the individuality of character. THis, in itself, was never a contradiction. Same for One Piece, Oda was always very clear that it was not a story about a random boy.
The problem of Naruto (which is not the one of One Piece) is the lack of preparation for the final arc of the serie, especially the "last" antagonist (Sasuke is the real antagonist). With more preparation, a few setups here and there, a few tweaks and narrative clues.. Kaguya would have felt a lot stronger and everyone would be praising Naruto because, trust me, naruto was fire even to this point. I still remember reading it weekly with the same intensity as good One Piece arcs.
One Piece is a story where the tropes are used very cleverly it does not have the same problems.
Luffy just happens to have ONE specific traits in common with ancient history : His D. name. That's all, end of the line. D. is absolutely not some kind of natural superiority of some sort (at least up to this point), it's the simple mark of a clan, a mark of history, something to be remember through the ages. And when we reflect, we understand very clearly why the attitudes of most of the D. in history is so special.
Imagine you know your clan will be hunted down through history, yet, you want to make your ennemy remember the menace you represent. Well, in the One Piece world where the "will" of character can even shape reality.. The only way to do that is to raise multiple generations of childrens with strong enough values and strenght of character to shape history itself. Mecanically, all the D. will feel the governmental repression in one way or another, so when you add this repression to a revolutionnary mindset who will question and rebel against everybits of gov system and pass all of that down generation after generation through history after adding a bit of romance... well you end up with characters like Luffy, Blackbeard, Garp. Etc.
Secondly
People don't realize it, but we are not in a universe where every possible outcome is possible. We are in a universe where the future is known (even if it appears as an unpredictibility locally) and can be predicted looooooong in advance. And in One Piece, characters uses the knowledge of the future to influence it. (ex: Oden knew that a group of Pirates would come strike Kaido and Toki knew that it would be the right moment in history to send Momo and the Akazaya)
This has a very specific consequence : it creates a paradox.
In reality, what characters know and predict are the consequences of their own actions. Ex: Toki sent Momo into the future thinking that he would arrive at the time of the group taking down Kaido to help him, but it is her action, with Oden's knowledge influenced by Joyboy prediction (probably), that triggered the chain of events which concluded in taking down Kaido.
In short, the entire story is about fate, but not the kind people are thinking. There is no fundamental force of nature ruling the character's lives... it's only... happening because of the actions of characters.
The great principle is this : there is no chosen one. There are only people who end up "being chosen" by the circoumstance of the impact of their own existence, past, present and future and their actions in consequences to that.
What Joyboy wrote and probably felt (him or someone else), is the ripples in time created by the impact of the strawhat's actions. But these actions are only possible because he and others chose to do what they did to passed down the torch. So Joyboy felt the impact of his OWN future action.
People are usually very hasty to call out parameters of stories that are present in everything they love already. It's usually not a wise thing to do. A story is not bad because of the trope they use, even if its the chosen one or the one who was chosen (which is something we can deduce since chapter 1 or even chapter 99. Stories are bad when they use these tropes badly.
The problem of Naruto was not the usage of gods. Naruto was never a "chosen one", just like Luffy, he build his strenght through his own work in an non-western world where fate STILL holds a lot of romantic weight despite the individuality of character. THis, in itself, was never a contradiction. Same for One Piece, Oda was always very clear that it was not a story about a random boy.
The problem of Naruto (which is not the one of One Piece) is the lack of preparation for the final arc of the serie, especially the "last" antagonist (Sasuke is the real antagonist). With more preparation, a few setups here and there, a few tweaks and narrative clues.. Kaguya would have felt a lot stronger and everyone would be praising Naruto because, trust me, naruto was fire even to this point. I still remember reading it weekly with the same intensity as good One Piece arcs.
One Piece is a story where the tropes are used very cleverly it does not have the same problems.
Nope. Wrong. Shōnen Jump threatened Kishimoto to ruin his series and continue it with aliens around chapter 550 with a gun to his head, all by the orders of Mafia boss Eichiiro Oda so that his series looks superior, despite the paltry amount of appeal One Piss, had overseas so that Oda could surpass Kishimoto.
also at least Kishimoto has the decency to ruin his series aka Gear 5 and Kaguya within like when less than 5% of the story remained. This allowed readers to still love Naruto for longer than they are able to love One Piss due to Gear 5 coming at the 80% mark as opposed to Naruto’s at like 98%.
also at least Kishimoto has the decency to ruin his series aka Gear 5 and Kaguya within like when less than 5% of the story remained. This allowed readers to still love Naruto for longer than they are able to love One Piss due to Gear 5 coming at the 80% mark as opposed to Naruto’s at like 98%.