Spoiler One Piece Chapter 1180 Spoilers Discussion

[Konstantis]

Because that's young Shanks. Prime Shanks's haki was compared to Joyboy who gave Imu PTSD.

Compared by its power? By its area usage? It was just compared, like Luffy's COC was compared to WB COC in Marinford.

 

[soupongo]

And what great did Loki did alongside Luffy there?
Both would have been a clown if not for their special fruits.

I mean, he froze Imu. If he didn't do that, Gunkimu would have killed Luffy after his g5 ran out.

 

[Godhawk]

Compared by its power? By its area usage? It was just compared, like Luffy's COC was compared to WB COC in Marinford.

Show me statement in the manga where people said Luffy's haki was as strong as WB in MF.

 

[Julius]

Any Maki users?

 

[Reborn]

In the big picture, sure.

But why on Elbaf? It's not like Imu is going to lose here. This arc is about hyping him, not Luffy. And Loki's fight with Imu is what the entire arc has been built up too.

It doesn't matter whose arc it is, in the end it's Nika Piece.

Loki considered himself as Nika.
IMU came for Loki and Nika.
IMU is fighting Loki first.

Loki will witness Nika in action here. He will realize like all people in the past - that Luffy is Nika and is the liberator.


Obviously IMU won't lose here. But this small clash we will see, would portray Luffy as bigger threat in the eyes of IMU as he anticipated and lay seeds for a fight in future and this can't happen if IMU simply destroys Luffy here.

 

[Cruxroux]

I mean, he froze Imu. If he didn't do that, Gunkimu would have killed Luffy after his g5 ran out.

And imu escaped instantly. Let's just say loki had an advantage here?
What now? Even freezing gimmick is gone now. Imu can destroy/melt that ice.

On top of that loki himself showed exhaustion for using that form. Fate would have been the same for both of them.

 

[Konstantis]

Show me statement in the manga where people said Luffy's haki was as strong as WB in MF.

They just said that Luffy has COC like their Father.
Again, Shanks COC was compared to JB COC because it was strong COC. Stronger than just some fodder, but there's nothing that can prove that Shanks COC was stronger than Xebec COC.

 

[Godhawk]

They just said that Luffy has COC like their Father.
Again, Shanks COC was compared to JB COC because it was strong COC. Stronger than just some fodder, but there's nothing that can prove that Shanks COC was stronger than Xebec COC.

That doesn't answer my question. Where did people say Luffy's haki was as strong as WB in MF? If Mihawk's victim haki was as strong as Joyboy then his haki was stronger than Xebec by default.

 

[Reborn]

G5 is pretty limitless with its ability so this is very possible. He would still be weaker than Loki though, it's impossible for Luffy to be stronger than Loki without sustaining G5 for more than 5-10 minutes.

Oda has even saved Loki's hybrid form well after Luffy has been using G5, Gunkimo wasn't even worthy of Loki's hybrid.

Thing with G5 is that it's far more broken than we even imagine. Oda can simply pull anything right now with G5.

And, as I mentioned in my last post, this is the moment, when Loki will realize he's not the Nika but Luffy is. He's not the Sun God but Luffy is.

And, considering how Loki got portrayed, this can only happen if Luffy is portrayed on par with Loki for him to even acknowledge.


I am simply banking upon all the past precedents - no one outshines Luffy

 

[ZenZu]

It doesn't matter whose arc it is, in the end it's Nika Piece.

Loki considered himself as Nika.
IMU came for Loki and Nika.
IMU is fighting Loki first.

Loki will witness Nika in action here. He will realize like all people in the past - that Luffy is Nika and is the liberator.


Obviously IMU won't lose here. But this small clash we will see, would portray Luffy as bigger threat in the eyes of IMU as he anticipated and lay seeds for a fight in future and this can't happen if IMU simply destroys Luffy here.

Yea this wouldn't put Luffy above Loki though at the moment. This would just mean when Luffy masters G5 he will be the biggest threat.

I don't think anyone is arguing Luffy will end up above Loki one day. He just can't do it right now since his only useful form is limited to like 5-10 minutes. Loki would beat Luffy 10/10 times as it stands.

I fully agree Luffy can shine the most, even if he's weaker. He's the MC after all. He has a good chance of showing Imu why Nika is the #1 problem.

Keep in mind, if Luffy gets a PU this arc then it's possible. But he needs one to surpass Loki.

 

[soupongo]

It doesn't matter whose arc it is, in the end it's Nika Piece.

Loki considered himself as Nika.
IMU came for Loki and Nika.
IMU is fighting Loki first.

Loki will witness Nika in action here. He will realize like all people in the past - that Luffy is Nika and is the liberator.
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Okay but like, Imu has been on Elbaf this entire time bro. He's already fought both of them. He can bring his real body as opposed to just his spirit but:
1. He literally didn't come for either of them, but Nidhoggs presence is what he was interested in. But his goal is to tame Elbaf, not kill Nika or whatever
2. They already fought lol. Loki is just the only one who can *keep* fighting Imu while Luffy is out for the count
3. Loki has already seen Luffy's power, and he saw him fodderize Sommers, and he probably knows about the fruit as well from Shanks and Gaban. What changes at this point? They just need to GTFO out of the island, or hope Imcel is stopped by plot.

 

[Konstantis]

That doesn't answer my question. Where did people say Luffy's haki was as strong as WB in MF?

They said, it's terryfying power like WB and Shanks.
Again, I will say this, if Shanks comes back to Elbaf and makes Imu stop with his COC, I will admit that Mihawk is the strongest character in One Piece. But that will never happen.

 

[Julius]

Citiz.. i mean, King of Hell and an actual demon, team up with the warrior of liberation to free the world from the devil

That is poetic

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2044533604743545044

 

[Godhawk]

They said, it's terryfying power like WB and Shanks.
Again, I will say this, if Shanks comes back to Elbaf and makes Imu stop with his COC, I will admit that Mihawk is the strongest character in One Piece. But that will never happen.

Where did they say his terrifying power aka his CoC was as strong as WB in MF?

 

[soupongo]

And imu escaped instantly. Let's just say loki had an advantage here?
What now? Even freezing gimmick is gone now. Imu can destroy/melt that ice.

On top of that loki himself showed exhaustion for using that form. Fate would have been the same for both of them.

The ice is the only substantial thing anyone has done to Imu on screen yet, though obviously that wasn't enough to defeat Imu.

Imu is pretty much only hyping Loki from what we've seen, aside from Soyboy and Davy Jones. Just look at his little monologue.

The rest is just a little curiosity, but Loki's feat is what he's interested in
"is something forseen on Elbaf"

 

[TheD.]

Luffy might be retarded but he isn't retarded enough to know the other person power level.

Didn’t he says he’s stronger than ace pre ts

 

[Reborn]

Yea this wouldn't put Luffy above Loki though at the moment. This would just mean when Luffy masters G5 he will be the biggest threat.

I don't think anyone is arguing Luffy will end up above Loki one day. He just can't do it right now since his only useful form is limited to like 5-10 minutes. Loki would beat Luffy 10/10 times as it stands.

I fully agree Luffy can shine the most, even if he's weaker. He's the MC after all. He has a good chance of showing Imu why Nika is the #1 problem.

Above Loki? Nah that's not my point here.


Oda doesn't write from power level perspective but more from plot perspective.

Loki will either be a SH or an ally and either way for Loki to follow Luffy, Loki has to realize Luffy is the Sun God and the liberator.

Considering how Loki is, I am simply arguing that Oda will portray Luffy against IMu in a way that might make Loki acknowledge who Luffy really is. It doesn't necessarily implies Luffy will get portrayed stronger than Loki

 

[Cruxroux]

The ice is the only substantial thing anyone has done to Imu on screen yet, though obviously that wasn't enough to defeat Imu.

Imu is pretty much only hyping Loki from what we've seen, aside from Soyboy and Davy Jones. Just look at his little monologue.

The rest is just a little curiosity, but Loki's feat is what he's interested in
"is something forseen on Elbaf"

Because he is the one who defeated his servent harald.
It's literally written on the summary.

Nidhoggr isn't a bigger threat than Nika himself in the grand scheme of things.

 

[Konstantis]

Where did they say his terrifying power aka his CoC was as strong as WB in MF?

Please reread this scan. They compared his COC to WB and Shanks. Color of Supreme Conqueror. Also Kaido compared Luffy to Roger, Shanks, and Xebec. So you can say, this is strongest type of COC. But Shanks COC is stronger than Luffy's COC, which is obvious. This is why for Dorry JB COC was only comparable to Shanks. They didn't see WB at prime, or Roger, Xebec, or Harold

 

[ZenZu]

Above Loki? Nah that's not my point here.


Oda doesn't write from power level perspective but more from plot perspective.

Loki will entire be a SH or an ally and either way for Loki to follow Luffy, Loki has to realize Luffy is the Sun God and the liberator.

Considering how Loki is, I am simply arguing that Oda will portray Luffy against IMu in a way that might make Loki acknowledge who Luffy really is. It doesn't necessarily implies Luffy will get portrayed stronger than Loki

Oh then I fully agree. I said a while back Loki has to glaze Luffy at some point. It just has to happen.

I'm pretty shocked it didn't happen against Gunkimu tbh, Loki is breaking all norms so far.