Fanclub The V̶i̶n̶s̶m̶o̶k̶e̶ Sanji FC: The Prince of love
Will need to read the actual raws to be able to get a proper read on it but some key tings from Imu and Loki's dialogue this chapter were
① Maki (Omen) dwells in all tings
② Corruption + Convenant + Power (Maki) = Dominion
③ Deal with the Devil
From Loki and Imu's dialogue, Maki sounds very much like Corrupted Haki for the lack of a better word.
覇気 (Haki) in itself is "Will Power" but in order to use 魔気 (Maki) you give up that "will" and make a deal with the devil (bascially a convenant) to achieve even greater power. So Maki is basically Ki for those that have agreed to get dominated by Imu.
This is probably why when Gaban first sensed the prescene of the Holy Knights on Elbaf, he referred to it as unusual (most likely because they've been corrupted by Imu)
That said, the way it is getting contextualized though it doesn't really explain Imu's black flames coz even though the Holy Knights possess Maki they don't possess Black Flames.
So are Black Flames simply a manifestation of Imu's Maki then? He's able to utilize maki in several ways to craft wings, create swords, create shields and even boost power etc. so are the flames simply just a manifestation of that?
Concept of Maki is interesting but it's hard to draw a line btw Imu's Df itself and Haki.
① Maki (Omen) dwells in all tings
② Corruption + Convenant + Power (Maki) = Dominion
③ Deal with the Devil
From Loki and Imu's dialogue, Maki sounds very much like Corrupted Haki for the lack of a better word.
覇気 (Haki) in itself is "Will Power" but in order to use 魔気 (Maki) you give up that "will" and make a deal with the devil (bascially a convenant) to achieve even greater power. So Maki is basically Ki for those that have agreed to get dominated by Imu.
This is probably why when Gaban first sensed the prescene of the Holy Knights on Elbaf, he referred to it as unusual (most likely because they've been corrupted by Imu)
That said, the way it is getting contextualized though it doesn't really explain Imu's black flames coz even though the Holy Knights possess Maki they don't possess Black Flames.
So are Black Flames simply a manifestation of Imu's Maki then? He's able to utilize maki in several ways to craft wings, create swords, create shields and even boost power etc. so are the flames simply just a manifestation of that?
Concept of Maki is interesting but it's hard to draw a line btw Imu's Df itself and Haki.
Also not gonna lie I have zero interest in debating Wings v Bummers and Bellingham.
If Oda decides to go that route fantastic but couldn't care less about that fight.
In a world where we have Loki putting in work against the guy that one tapped Zoro and Sanji with Luffy emphaizing the the stakes of just how ridiculous Imu is PL-wise (Yonko Luffy that beat Kaido btw) and prepping for it by stuffing himself to the gills, how in the world do you even get excited about something as dead of Bummers and Bellingham. No thank you personally
Would rather see Zoro and Sanji out for the rest of this arc instead
If Oda decides to go that route fantastic but couldn't care less about that fight.
In a world where we have Loki putting in work against the guy that one tapped Zoro and Sanji with Luffy emphaizing the the stakes of just how ridiculous Imu is PL-wise (Yonko Luffy that beat Kaido btw) and prepping for it by stuffing himself to the gills, how in the world do you even get excited about something as dead of Bummers and Bellingham. No thank you personally
Would rather see Zoro and Sanji out for the rest of this arc instead
Queen wasn't two shot by BM. He was knocked down sure but not entirely taken down of the fight like Killingham and Sommers.
Maybe I didn't convey what I meant correctly previously but that's what I meant by Oda not liking to repeat himself. I'm not talking about in general but in that specific sense. Enemies that are defeated once, complete defeat not take one attack but still able to function right after, usually don't return as major enemies, especially not for the M3.
Maybe I didn't convey what I meant correctly previously but that's what I meant by Oda not liking to repeat himself. I'm not talking about in general but in that specific sense. Enemies that are defeated once, complete defeat not take one attack but still able to function right after, usually don't return as major enemies, especially not for the M3.
Thats why i considered Venus and Ju Peter pulling up
Then leaves the rest of HKs to be dealed with by Jinbe and the rest, could be useful for some of them to at least develop Haki, since Sanji is basically confirmed to get CoC as a parallel to Roger's left hand.. It's already time for some of them to get CoA
Then leaves the rest of HKs to be dealed with by Jinbe and the rest, could be useful for some of them to at least develop Haki, since Sanji is basically confirmed to get CoC as a parallel to Roger's left hand.. It's already time for some of them to get CoA
AFAIK other strawhats already met with all of the HK
except zoro and sanji they only met 1 out of 3 which is zoro<->sommers , sanji <-> killingham
I think oda already set them up for the fight in this panel too
zoro have a clue on how to deal with sommers and killingham seeking revenge on sanji
the chance of them fighting someone else is not zero but very low
the match up will be
luffy,loki vs imu
zoro vs sommers(with maki)
sanji vs killingham(with maki)
other strawhats vs gunko(without maki)
This will be the first time that luffy's going to be the one that hold out imu for the rest of the crew to finish off HK instead of the other way around.
We'll see luffy keep getting beat by imu but refuse to go down until all of HK is dead and weakening imu enough to send him back home. and dmg imu going to take from gunko dying will be huge cause she is the only one with abyss contract (not aging and can be directly possessed by imu)
Oda dont show us the front, maybe sanji entire front got disfigured and he cant move for that
I have a feeling killingham is going to beat the shit out of sanji corpse for revenge and the crew cant do anything to stop him in the next one or two chapters for the sake of odakillingham telling us how much stronger they have become from maki buff.
except zoro and sanji they only met 1 out of 3 which is zoro<->sommers , sanji <-> killingham
I think oda already set them up for the fight in this panel too
zoro have a clue on how to deal with sommers and killingham seeking revenge on sanji
the chance of them fighting someone else is not zero but very low
the match up will be
luffy,loki vs imu
zoro vs sommers(with maki)
sanji vs killingham(with maki)
other strawhats vs gunko(without maki)
This will be the first time that luffy's going to be the one that hold out imu for the rest of the crew to finish off HK instead of the other way around.
We'll see luffy keep getting beat by imu but refuse to go down until all of HK is dead and weakening imu enough to send him back home. and dmg imu going to take from gunko dying will be huge cause she is the only one with abyss contract (not aging and can be directly possessed by imu)
Oda dont show us the front, maybe sanji entire front got disfigured and he cant move for that
I have a feeling killingham is going to beat the shit out of sanji corpse for revenge and the crew cant do anything to stop him in the next one or two chapters for the sake of odakillingham telling us how much stronger they have become from maki buff.
Also not gonna lie I have zero interest in debating Wings v Bummers and Bellingham.
If Oda decides to go that route fantastic but couldn't care less about that fight.
In a world where we have Loki putting in work against the guy that one tapped Zoro and Sanji with Luffy emphaizing the the stakes of just how ridiculous Imu is PL-wise (Yonko Luffy that beat Kaido btw) and prepping for it by stuffing himself to the gills, how in the world do you even get excited about something as dead of Bummers and Bellingham. No thank you personally
Would rather see Zoro and Sanji out for the rest of this arc instead
If Oda decides to go that route fantastic but couldn't care less about that fight.
In a world where we have Loki putting in work against the guy that one tapped Zoro and Sanji with Luffy emphaizing the the stakes of just how ridiculous Imu is PL-wise (Yonko Luffy that beat Kaido btw) and prepping for it by stuffing himself to the gills, how in the world do you even get excited about something as dead of Bummers and Bellingham. No thank you personally
Would rather see Zoro and Sanji out for the rest of this arc instead
Unless Imu and his bitches leave next chapter, Zoro and Sanji should get up and help Luffy as they usually do imo.
Nika will get his ass kicked but he's not getting negg'd by Imu. So Sanji and Zoro are gonna have to step up and I think Oda had those two lose in such an unflattering manner to indicate that they need to pattern up (Luffy's time limit has somehow salvaged their blushes but Nika PU puts a sizeable gap btw Luffy and his wings). I don't think Oda's suddenly going to make Zoro and Sanji irrelevant PL-wise. That said, although I'm absolutely certain that those two are going to be getting filthy PUs this arc, I'm not really sure what direction Oda's going to go with the wings to salvage their performance against Imu and don't care what nobody says Bummers and Bellingham are not the answer.
I can see both saving Luffy from Imu after Luffy does get his time to shine against Imu and ultimately loses.
One way Oda could go with this is have both show their actual potential with attacks to save Luffy out of desperation without necessarily understanding how just yet and then going into the next arc we get an intermission where both properly attempt to understand and ultimately master their abiltiies.
Personally I think the above is the best case scenario for them this arc.
Defeating Bummers and Bellignham is good and all but it doesn't really help challenge the notion that they are not fodder to Imu even after their PUs. Yes it could potentially be a way Oda can use to weaken Imu but bun that honestly
I can see both saving Luffy from Imu after Luffy does get his time to shine against Imu and ultimately loses.
One way Oda could go with this is have both show their actual potential with attacks to save Luffy out of desperation without necessarily understanding how just yet and then going into the next arc we get an intermission where both properly attempt to understand and ultimately master their abiltiies.
Personally I think the above is the best case scenario for them this arc.
Defeating Bummers and Bellignham is good and all but it doesn't really help challenge the notion that they are not fodder to Imu even after their PUs. Yes it could potentially be a way Oda can use to weaken Imu but bun that honestly
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Wings would just get in the way.
It takes several fighters at least on par with Admirals to fight a lesser version of Imu.
To fight him as he is now, it takes Emperor level combatants.
The fact there is still this resistance to Wings fighting Knights, after Imu gave said Knights an Omen, is just rooted in wishful thinking.
It takes several fighters at least on par with Admirals to fight a lesser version of Imu.
To fight him as he is now, it takes Emperor level combatants.
The fact there is still this resistance to Wings fighting Knights, after Imu gave said Knights an Omen, is just rooted in wishful thinking.
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