Character Discussion Imu is clearly the Final Villain
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You cant compare Imu with a shitter like bb, bb wont be able to take the one piece, thats luffys job, bb gets neg diffed when Imu and red goat serpent will team up, bb will lose 2 times, 1vs luffy he wont have one piece and the weapons needed to deal with imu and squad like pluton etc and then he will be killed by imu.
Whitebeard said it clear, even for brainlets: Bb you are not HIM, this is nika piece.
Whitebeard said it clear, even for brainlets: Bb you are not HIM, this is nika piece.
Now that Imu has shown us how strong he is, I have to agree with this.
Blackbeard's underlings never lined up with Imu's as final villains for people like Zoro and Sanji. Blackbeard could always take what is Imu's and buff them but tbh WB's words about BB not being the one really stick out now. Luffy has to free the world from Imu's shackles.
We can even get a Naruto like ending where Imu (Kaguya) comes first somehow and then Luffy fights Teach (Sasuke) who knows. But it wouldn't make him the biggest threat.
Blackbeard's underlings never lined up with Imu's as final villains for people like Zoro and Sanji. Blackbeard could always take what is Imu's and buff them but tbh WB's words about BB not being the one really stick out now. Luffy has to free the world from Imu's shackles.
We can even get a Naruto like ending where Imu (Kaguya) comes first somehow and then Luffy fights Teach (Sasuke) who knows. But it wouldn't make him the biggest threat.
The big difference between Blackbeard and Sasuke Is that Blackbeard ruling the world as a villain is something that could happen and the characters in story would take seriously. No one takes seriously that Sasuke would be the Hokage or whatever, he wasn't really a true villain
Honestly though, that panel of Luffy not caring about Teach while he's shook at Sakazuki owns fatty. Hard to get around that one
Honestly though, that panel of Luffy not caring about Teach while he's shook at Sakazuki owns fatty. Hard to get around that one
I think alot has to do with longevity of the story.
For a good chunk of one piece story (15 years I guess) we had been fed this narrative that WG is true suppressor and evil while Ancient Kingdom was good - slavery, ohara incident, Ace execution, Robin's plot, cleansing and Reverie.
Oda fed this narrative for so long that WG came across as real big bad.
However, in recent times, we have seen hints which kind of goes against what we were being fed
1) Rayleigh who knows true history asked Robin to figure out history herself and perhaps she will reach to different conclusion than he did - the first major hint which reflected there's more to Ancient Kingdom lore than what we were being fed.
2) VP who did research on the history was conflicted about the history. VG lore came nearly decade after Rayleigh's hint and it double down on it.
In short, two people who knows true history had been portrayed to be conflicted about the ancient kingdom.
3) Entire Xebec flashback and Davy Jones plot hinted at Davy being the ruler of Ancient Kingdom which is in line with the conflicting opinions Rayleigh and VP has.
4) Lily's plot - Lily is the ancestor of Vivi and and one of 20 who allied with IMU against Ancient Kingdom. It's after formation of WG that she disappeared.
Considering how good Alabasta kingdom had been portrayed and how good vivi is, I feel it's safe to assume that Lily joined hands with IMU and remaining 18 kings against Ancient Kingdom because she felt AK's rule was bigger evil.
Infact, she perhaps felt to stay below and diverge from WG later when she realized that WG is creating a order of racial superiority of 20 families and not true government as she believed.
5) Hints of IMU and Joyboy being allies or friends
6) Xebec and BB - both having goal of King of the World - a status IMU has can't be just mere wishful thinking or coincidence unless Davy was the real king.
7) And, most importantly, slavery aside, WG actually is trying to establish a world order for 800 years. WG portrayal is more like far right elected government who wants nations to ally or affilate with them so they can have a world order with balance of power.
All of their acts so far has been centered around just two things
1) Maintain order
2)Suppress any information or event that can lead to Ancient Kingdom
Yet, they are clearly struggling in achieving them. And, more they struggled, more authoritarian in approach they became - more power they abused to force nations to go as per their world order and beliefs.
As I said earlier, WG is an organisation with good intentions but with bad means to achieve them.
Davy Jones seem like a bigger evil in the past who ruled Ancient Kingdom with iron fist and made entire world the enemy of the ancient kingdom- a true dictator kind of vibe (something I didn't feel seeing IMU at all)
Joyboy story of being the first pirate who sailed to seek freedom fits this narrative as well.
For a good chunk of one piece story (15 years I guess) we had been fed this narrative that WG is true suppressor and evil while Ancient Kingdom was good - slavery, ohara incident, Ace execution, Robin's plot, cleansing and Reverie.
Oda fed this narrative for so long that WG came across as real big bad.
However, in recent times, we have seen hints which kind of goes against what we were being fed
1) Rayleigh who knows true history asked Robin to figure out history herself and perhaps she will reach to different conclusion than he did - the first major hint which reflected there's more to Ancient Kingdom lore than what we were being fed.
2) VP who did research on the history was conflicted about the history. VG lore came nearly decade after Rayleigh's hint and it double down on it.
In short, two people who knows true history had been portrayed to be conflicted about the ancient kingdom.
3) Entire Xebec flashback and Davy Jones plot hinted at Davy being the ruler of Ancient Kingdom which is in line with the conflicting opinions Rayleigh and VP has.
4) Lily's plot - Lily is the ancestor of Vivi and and one of 20 who allied with IMU against Ancient Kingdom. It's after formation of WG that she disappeared.
Considering how good Alabasta kingdom had been portrayed and how good vivi is, I feel it's safe to assume that Lily joined hands with IMU and remaining 18 kings against Ancient Kingdom because she felt AK's rule was bigger evil.
Infact, she perhaps felt to stay below and diverge from WG later when she realized that WG is creating a order of racial superiority of 20 families and not true government as she believed.
5) Hints of IMU and Joyboy being allies or friends
6) Xebec and BB - both having goal of King of the World - a status IMU has can't be just mere wishful thinking or coincidence unless Davy was the real king.
7) And, most importantly, slavery aside, WG actually is trying to establish a world order for 800 years. WG portrayal is more like far right elected government who wants nations to ally or affilate with them so they can have a world order with balance of power.
All of their acts so far has been centered around just two things
1) Maintain order
2)Suppress any information or event that can lead to Ancient Kingdom
Yet, they are clearly struggling in achieving them. And, more they struggled, more authoritarian in approach they became - more power they abused to force nations to go as per their world order and beliefs.
As I said earlier, WG is an organisation with good intentions but with bad means to achieve them.
Davy Jones seem like a bigger evil in the past who ruled Ancient Kingdom with iron fist and made entire world the enemy of the ancient kingdom- a true dictator kind of vibe (something I didn't feel seeing IMU at all)
Joyboy story of being the first pirate who sailed to seek freedom fits this narrative as well.
Oh, absolutely not. While Teach would probably be fine with it, there is NO chance of Luffy ever willingly working alongside him. Especially if Garp gets sold to the Cross Guild and/or he kills Shanks.
And also, Final Villain literally means the absolute last obstacle, whether how big of a conflict it is or not
And also, Final Villain literally means the absolute last obstacle, whether how big of a conflict it is or not
No I'm not talking about a technicality, I'm talking about what fandoms are referring to in these discussions. When they say Final Villain they are talking about Kaguya. Whether or not it is Sasuke who was the actual final villain is irrelevant.
Same way when someone says final villain here they mean who will play Kaguya's role in One Piece and not Sasuke's role.
Same way when someone says final villain here they mean who will play Kaguya's role in One Piece and not Sasuke's role.
Unfortunately, I am talking about technicalities.
So, when I say Blackbeard is the Final Villain, I mean, the series will conclude with his defeat, and then a great epilogue to conclude the story. It doesn't matter if his fight lasts 10 chapters and Imu's is 25. By proxy of being Luffy's absolute last enemy, that is what the definition of the term is.
And no, I am not suggesting Blackbeard and Sasuke are similar characters. As obviously Luffy will be out for blood there.
So, when I say Blackbeard is the Final Villain, I mean, the series will conclude with his defeat, and then a great epilogue to conclude the story. It doesn't matter if his fight lasts 10 chapters and Imu's is 25. By proxy of being Luffy's absolute last enemy, that is what the definition of the term is.
And no, I am not suggesting Blackbeard and Sasuke are similar characters. As obviously Luffy will be out for blood there.
