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[PuckTheGreat]

Gaban and Rayleigh are significantly weaker than Kaido and Big Mom imo. I don't think they can stall them much longer than Yamato did on Onigashima

Loki is overrated, I doubt he is stronger than Luffy or Kaido

That's disrespectful I'm not gonna lie
Personally I think they are comparable tbh and can understand the argument that Kaido and Linlin have the edge from a sheer hax perspective but keep in mind that Gaban and Ray are blade users that can slice through their dura like butter and have way more letality than Luffy or bloody Kidd, so it's bascially Kaido v slightly stronger versions of Oden and we know how Kaido views Oden and what one Tougen Totsuka did to him . Even if Kaido comes out on top it's not gonna be any less than a high diff fight and that's Kaido. The Yamato comparison, I'll just skip over lol

 

[kekaro]

On this discussion of who the wings fight or whether they are adequte or not, personally I'm looking at it from the perspective of what I think the narrative is demanding from them which is to become pillars strong enough to be able to support Luffy in the war he's going to be waging against the world but it seems that the standard which I personally think is required for them to be at is different from some of my other Sanji bros, so the question I'd like to pose to y'all is "what standard do you think the wings need to be at to be able to fulfil their narrative role as Luffy's main support pillars"?

Right now to me personally I think Yonko level is their current floor and each will have to be strong enough to be able to combat something on a level as freaky as DR Xebec 1 v 1 (i.e. this is from the persepetive that they need to be able to beat whatever level of subordinate Imu is able to dish out keep in mind that in addtion to being able to domi reversi a monster like Xebec, Imu is also able to amp up his suborindates with maki meaning that the Gorosei can potentially get amps as well)

Where are y'all at with this?

top 2 at the good sites EoS after luffy

However, i dont think that has any relevance to say about PuS
Especially with Sanji oda ever since start of the manga doesnt need him to draw steadly progressing, he always make big jumps
This is not even a Oda exclusive thing either you see the same thing in alot of final arcs in other shounen

 

[PuckTheGreat]

top 2 at the good sites EoS after luffy

However, i dont think that has any relevance to say about PuS
Especially with Sanji oda ever since start of the manga doesnt need him to draw steadly progressing, he always make big jumps
This is not even a Oda exclusive thing either you see the same thing in alot of final arcs in other shounen

Isn’t that progression though?
Base Black Leg Style -> Diable Jambe -> Diable Jambe + Haki -> Gene Awakeking (Exoskeleton and Ifrit Jambe)

I agree that Oda doesn't really put that much empahsis on the training like he does with Luffy though but that can't really be helped else the series will never end.

Also I think understanding how strong they are required to be is relevant as it kinda gives better visibility on just how much ground they have to cover from now till EoS and also puts their powerups under greater scrutiny as in order to rise to those levels, the quality of theirs PUs is extermely vital.

From the persepctive of visibility on how much ground they have to cover, we know Sanji atm is in and around top Yonko Commander level so if he's going to stand a chance of tangoing with a monstrosity of the same ilk as DR Xebec then he is going to have to cover a lot of ground quickly meaning whatever PU he gets on Elbaf is going to be very significant.

Then there's the perspective of quality of PUs. Oda is gradually building up Sanji into a genetic monstrosity that will probably exceed even the likes of Kaido and Linlin EoS. Has given him PoL and ability that can quite literally defy the laws of physics then there is CoC and potentially even maki incoming.

On EoS rankings if Loki doesn't join then I think Luffy and Loki will be top 2 on the good side. Otherwise then those two could potentially be top 2 and 3 on the good side for PL rakings of the current era.

 

[RayanOO]

I reckon those are the strongest ones.

Sanji's scary ass is afraid of insects.

The runts are dreaming up mythological threats like Draugr, Nika and Nidhöggr.

I’m talking about that

 

[Rumble]

I’m talking about that

I know, and they said they didn't want to find out. Adults have more rational fears than children, like insects.

Kids are afraid of monsters and such. That's my rationale for it actually being appropriate they create stronger MMAs.

With Sanji, my preference would be a manifestation of Stealth Black and/or hateful versions of Sora and Red Leg Zeff. Maybe all 3 at once. Pause.

 

[Doggo]

Fear of insects is not "rational" at all.


fear of end of month bills is rational.

 

[Doggo]

Imagine that.
Killingham manifests an IRS agent to fight the SHs.
poor Nami would die on the spot.

 

[RayanOO]

Adults have more rational fears than children, like insects.

Yeah and their rational fears are much more concrete and detailed and real than the children ones

Children are afraid of the idea of Loki Nika etc like some ethereal concept of monsters. With their children minds and experience they aren’t that strong

while for a grown adult with experience fearing Loki is way more real. You don’t fear something abstract you’re fearing the real one, with his martial might, his skills, his devious mind etc etc maybe even with his haki

So I can see a world where adult MMA are maybe more threatening than children ones

 

[Rumble]

Fear of insects is not "rational" at all.

I didn't say a fear of insects is rational.

More is a relative term, you BUM.

A fear of insects is more rational than a fear of monsters.

Yeah and their rational fears are much more concrete and detailed and real than the children ones

I can see it going both ways, but I think it's more appropriate if kids create stronger MMAs on average than adults because those fears will be based on fantastical proportions.

Ideally, Killingham's monsters get stronger the fewer people he is focused on. I'd really like to see Sanji vs Stealth Black or versions of his parents (not including Judge).

 

[Doggo]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wuxing_(Chinese_philosophy)


The Five Moving Ones are traditionally associated with the classical planets: Mars, Mercury, Jupiter, Venus, and Saturn
Wuxing originally referred to the five classical planets (from brightest to dimmest: Venus, Jupiter, Mercury, Mars, Saturn)
Fuck you @Jackteo
you gonna get your wish.

Sanji vs Lafitte is my last hope for my precious aerial battle.

 

[Jackteo]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wuxing_(Chinese_philosophy)


The Five Moving Ones are traditionally associated with the classical planets: Mars, Mercury, Jupiter, Venus, and Saturn
Wuxing originally referred to the five classical planets (from brightest to dimmest: Venus, Jupiter, Mercury, Mars, Saturn)
Fuck you @Jackteo
you gonna get your wish.

Sanji vs Lafitte is my last hope for my precious aerial battle.

Hail to the Worm, the Devourer of Suns

Have you already given up on Omen Killingham? Do you remember he can fly right?

 

[Doggo]

Hail to the Worm, the Devourer of Suns

Have you already given up to Omen Killingham? Do you remember he can fly right?

Not aesthetic.

 

[Etemenanki]

Hail to the Worm, the Devourer of Suns

Have you already given up to Omen Killingham? Do you remember he can fly right?

Mars > the worm.
Don't know why some of you guys keep hoping for boring opponents like Jupiter or Pizarro

The only good thing I can imagine from a potential Sanji vs Jupiter is an upgraded Anti-Manner Kick Course as the almost guaranteed finisher move

But other than that the fight would be lame, he's a fucking giant worm.

 

[RayanOO]

Sanji vs Lafitte is my last hope for my precious aerial battle.

 

[Jackteo]

Mars > the worm.
Don't know why some of you guys keep hoping for boring opponents like Jupiter or Pizarro

The only good thing I can imagine from a potential Sanji vs Jupiter is an upgraded Anti-Manner Kick Course as the almost guaranteed finisher move

But other than that the fight would be lame, he's a fucking giant worm.

 

[Welkin]

top 2 at the good sites EoS after luffy

However, i dont think that has any relevance to say about PuS
Especially with Sanji oda ever since start of the manga doesnt need him to draw steadly progressing, he always make big jumps
This is not even a Oda exclusive thing either you see the same thing in alot of final arcs in other shounen

If Loki lives past this arc I really don't see how they'd both be top 2 among the allies after Luffy

Loki is pretty much guaranteed to be stronger/more important than them due to his fruit and Ragnir (Galleila)

I know some of y'all will fight me on this due to the whole "wings" thing but that's never been synonymous with being the strongest with Luffy period. They're simply his 2 most trusted men and the strongest in his crew

Rayleigh and Gaban were weaker than Garp yet their dynamic still worked. If Loki doesn't join the crew then Oda won't harm the wings at all by making Loki stronger than them for the rest of the story

So I'd say they'll be top 3 on Luffy's side. Maybe closer to top 4-5 depending on how insane Dragon's scaling is and how Oda feels about Sabo/Kidd going into EOS

 

[Doggo]

Why you posting your selfie?

 

[Doggo]

Cool, cool.
he doesn't look like that though.

 

[kekaro]

If Loki lives past this arc I really don't see how they'd both be top 2 among the allies after Luffy

Loki is pretty much guaranteed to be stronger/more important than them due to his fruit and Ragnir (Galleila)

I know some of y'all will fight me on this due to the whole "wings" thing but that's never been synonymous with being the strongest with Luffy period. They're simply his 2 most trusted men and the strongest in his crew

Rayleigh and Gaban were weaker than Garp yet their dynamic still worked. If Loki doesn't join the crew then Oda won't harm the wings at all by making Loki stronger than them for the rest of the story

So I'd say they'll be top 3 on Luffy's side. Maybe closer to top 4-5 depending on how insane Dragon's scaling is and how Oda feels about Sabo/Kidd going into EOS

This has nothing to do with wings and more to do with One Pieces plot structure, like this is not a new take of mine, its actually a pretty luke warm old take

At the end of the day the last arc of one piece will be overblown but in the core same Arlong park. As in the mosnter trio will fight the strongest opponents of the world (blue) and none else

Now the argument to this is they were obviously other strong characters at that point in the story (roger, Shanks, Mihawk, Dragon)

Those will, however, be powercrept at that point

Just like people thought you cant be stronger than Kekdo Loki can and will powercrept at some point

Also, Rayleigh and Gaban are not a comparison either, just like the SH already transcended the regular structure of a yonko crew, they will also transcend the regular structure of PK crew as Luffys journey and dream goes beyond that and he will fight opponents Roger didnt even see in his life, and accomplish thinks that Joyboy and his crew didnt

 

[Welkin]

On this discussion of who the wings fight or whether they are adequte or not, personally I'm looking at it from the perspective of what I think the narrative is demanding from them which is to become pillars strong enough to be able to support Luffy in the war he's going to be waging against the world but it seems that the standard which I personally think is required for them to be at is different from some of my other Sanji bros, so the question I'd like to pose to y'all is "what standard do you think the wings need to be at to be able to fulfil their narrative role as Luffy's main support pillars"?

Right now to me personally I think Yonko level is their current floor and each will have to be strong enough to be able to combat something on a level as freaky as DR Xebec 1 v 1 (i.e. this is from the persepetive that they need to be able to beat whatever level of subordinate Imu is able to dish out keep in mind that in addtion to being able to domi reversi a monster like Xebec, Imu is also able to amp up his suborindates with maki meaning that the Gorosei can potentially get amps as well)

Where are y'all at with this?

Bare minimum on par with the Yonko but they'll probably go beyond that

Being able to handle DR Xebec in a 1v1 is a pretty high bar though, if we're being honest. A solo skysplit is a feat that only DR Xebec and Joyboy have currently

Not to mention Roger and Garp had to give every ounce of haki they had just to take him out. I think Zoro/Sanji will be playing in that prime Roger/Whitebeard/Garp territory but surpassing them seems like a leap to me currently

Their opponents have always been the biggest issue to me though. None of the EOS opponents besides the Gorosei (possibly buffed) feel strong enough to warrant that much growth