General & Others Is anyone excited about One Piece currently?
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This is the definition given to people to vulgarize narration. It's technically not usefull. As everything in a story is designed to move the plot forward. When we analyze, it's better to be precise about what is a problem since these elements are usually contextual.
For example, the fear of a character, which is a plot device, can be used for good narration BUT also can be used for bad narration. As such critics have to always be contextual and never absolute like what you guyz are doing.
Furthermore.
The way a device is used and feel "organic" is not absolute either. For example depending on your age, experience and knowledge of storytelling, you could experiment the same story twice very differently. As such, what feels organic to you, is not what feels organic to me. In fact it goes even beyond that. What "feel's organic" is ALSO a social construct and can become a cultural trait. The way we experience story in the west can sometimes feel inorganic to someone in other culture and hegemonies.
Your taste, your vision of the world, the way you enjoy stories, all of this is socially constructed
So when I'm telling you that your "hate" is not a simple opinion but the result of a large system of beliefs relative to larger systems of beliefs relative to this current environment but also part of the fanbase. I'm showing you a critical approach of the analyzis of your taste on storytelling.
And it also applies on my taste too. My love of the story is also socially constructed. But this one is closer to the actual reality of what the story really is and what Oda really represents. While it's impossible to say "this is better than that", it's possible to objectively analyze the story within a cultural reference frame, in this case, the manga industry and odyssey stories in general.
Which means that I don't simply "love" the story, I know why it's good based on the devices and situations presented. Devices that I learn to understand and analyze and devices that you are ignoring or fallaciousely trying to convey as "bad" because you try to impose a fallacious vision of storytelling on this story.
A story is a large context. By creating illegitimate expectations, like "Luffy should not hold on against Imu". You remove yourself from the experience of the story and focus on a potential future element while ignoring his potential future contextuality. As such, if said situation comes by, your confirmation bias will kick in and prevent you from apprehending the entire contextuality of the situation.
In other word, you will only see what you know shouldn't have happened, and you will be blind to the reasons why it actually make sense.
Meaning that if you create illegitimate expectations, and by "illegitimate", I mean expectations that are not based on setup or preparations for the story, or something "promised" to you....
Well you risk to be dissapointed at every turns and you will eventually create hatred for the Story you loved.
For example, the fear of a character, which is a plot device, can be used for good narration BUT also can be used for bad narration. As such critics have to always be contextual and never absolute like what you guyz are doing.
Furthermore.
The way a device is used and feel "organic" is not absolute either. For example depending on your age, experience and knowledge of storytelling, you could experiment the same story twice very differently. As such, what feels organic to you, is not what feels organic to me. In fact it goes even beyond that. What "feel's organic" is ALSO a social construct and can become a cultural trait. The way we experience story in the west can sometimes feel inorganic to someone in other culture and hegemonies.
Your taste, your vision of the world, the way you enjoy stories, all of this is socially constructed
So when I'm telling you that your "hate" is not a simple opinion but the result of a large system of beliefs relative to larger systems of beliefs relative to this current environment but also part of the fanbase. I'm showing you a critical approach of the analyzis of your taste on storytelling.
And it also applies on my taste too. My love of the story is also socially constructed. But this one is closer to the actual reality of what the story really is and what Oda really represents. While it's impossible to say "this is better than that", it's possible to objectively analyze the story within a cultural reference frame, in this case, the manga industry and odyssey stories in general.
Which means that I don't simply "love" the story, I know why it's good based on the devices and situations presented. Devices that I learn to understand and analyze and devices that you are ignoring or fallaciousely trying to convey as "bad" because you try to impose a fallacious vision of storytelling on this story.
A story is a large context. By creating illegitimate expectations, like "Luffy should not hold on against Imu". You remove yourself from the experience of the story and focus on a potential future element while ignoring his potential future contextuality. As such, if said situation comes by, your confirmation bias will kick in and prevent you from apprehending the entire contextuality of the situation.
In other word, you will only see what you know shouldn't have happened, and you will be blind to the reasons why it actually make sense.
Meaning that if you create illegitimate expectations, and by "illegitimate", I mean expectations that are not based on setup or preparations for the story, or something "promised" to you....
Well you risk to be dissapointed at every turns and you will eventually create hatred for the Story you loved.
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Look dude, when I'm speaking about my opinion this is my opinion. Your reader comphrehension is awful, because you are just straigh up trolling, or dumb.
Why I'm thinking that you are just another troll? Look, you just registered on this site. While I was here from Orojackson in the fall. So this is just it. Logiko was always arguing with me on the very same topic for a few years, because she is a fanatic who doesn't want to admit that some moments of One Piece are just examples of bad writing.
Another essay from you. Sorry, we are arguing on the same topic each time. And even when I pointed out from your own answers what exactly YOU expect from the story, you just made everything into an essay, and now you are blindly defending any conclusion of this arc.
Why I'm thinking that you are just another troll? Look, you just registered on this site. While I was here from Orojackson in the fall. So this is just it. Logiko was always arguing with me on the very same topic for a few years, because she is a fanatic who doesn't want to admit that some moments of One Piece are just examples of bad writing.
Another essay from you. Sorry, we are arguing on the same topic each time. And even when I pointed out from your own answers what exactly YOU expect from the story, you just made everything into an essay, and now you are blindly defending any conclusion of this arc.
Some are. Yes. Not the ones we are talking about. No story is perfect, not even One Piece. But we are not talking about this kind of moment, we are talking about a period (this current period) where the story is absolutely stellar. To the point I feel the same fear I felt back in Sabaody and whole cake and in some part of Wano.
Trust me when I say that things are bad and if you don't feel it, it's not a story problem.
(and I'm a man lol)
I'm not defending anything but you here. I'm trying to show you why the way you are consuming One Piece can only create delusion and deception.
And you are right. I do expect things from the story and like you I have illegitimate expectations too.
BUT I DEFEND MYSELF AGAINST THEIR IMPACT.
I'm not mad because Oda never made Carrot a strawhat, I'm perplex, perhaps even intrigued. This sparks questionning on my end, not hatred for the situation.
I fully know how badly our own vision and taste can be influenced if we are not careful. So I'm always being very careful when I expect something and I always take a step back. And mostly : i never pre-judge somthing.
Don't worry, your writing is fine. Impact is just trolling.
Trust me when I say that things are bad and if you don't feel it, it's not a story problem.
(and I'm a man lol)
I'm not defending anything but you here. I'm trying to show you why the way you are consuming One Piece can only create delusion and deception.
And you are right. I do expect things from the story and like you I have illegitimate expectations too.
BUT I DEFEND MYSELF AGAINST THEIR IMPACT.
I'm not mad because Oda never made Carrot a strawhat, I'm perplex, perhaps even intrigued. This sparks questionning on my end, not hatred for the situation.
I fully know how badly our own vision and taste can be influenced if we are not careful. So I'm always being very careful when I expect something and I always take a step back. And mostly : i never pre-judge somthing.
Don't worry, your writing is fine. Impact is just trolling.
