Chapter Discussion I don't understand where Oda is going

vikas

vikas

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He probably had an idea, but as series progressed and when he saw people will find that plot more generic he is now trying to create a message of surprises, anyway people always fell for new reveals not proper story telling or plot. Give a new character and so called hype moments to keep hype alive.... eventually all these won't fit in properly tied story so it gets boring.
 
Juanpiz

Juanpiz

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#5
#5
vikas said:
He probably had an idea, but as series progressed and when he saw people will find that plot more generic he is now trying to create a message of surprises, anyway people always fell for new reveals not proper story telling or plot. Give a new character and so called hype moments to keep hype alive.... eventually all these won't fit in properly tied story so it gets boring.
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He just didnt Have one Idea..he had too many ideas:gokulaugh:
 
D. Plant

D. Plant

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#8
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The arc is about Imu trying to subjugate Elbaph and turning them into his war soldiers. Luffy is the savior who will stop him from achieving it.

Seems like it wrong timing to show Brook's flashback, maybe Gunko can tell us Imu's weakness or something and right after Loki vs Imu finish clashing which allow Ragnir to unfreeze her.
 
Logiko

Logiko

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Higuma said:
There was a time when it felt like the story was structured and planned, but for the last few chapters it's been a mess. Has anyone understood what Oda was trying to say with all these new elements? What's the theme, the message?
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There might be one.

I explained it here a few weeks ago:

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Completely yes. Pretty sure it will happen in Elbaph. Look at Gunko's story and Loki's story. It's a parrallel.

Both were accused of patricid and both seems to be acting in the interests of the ones they love. Gunko is still attached to Brook which tells me that Imu is responsible of BOTH situations.

Both of these stories are the reason why I consider Imu to be only a precursor of the final villain which would be Blackbeard (or someone else). Imu would be linked in everyways to the story of Elbaph and the current threads.

To me, we are in the first part of a "two-part arc". We will lose in Elbaph, this seems pretty clear now and we will learn about Gunko, which will give another reason for the crew to strike down Imu. We will finally encounter Imu in a second part, later, in another location.

Oda teased Gunko's story in the very beginning of Brook's adventure with the strawhats. Brook probably became a pirate to hunt down his princess.
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At the time I thought Brook wanted to hunt Shuri, I'm not 100% sure of that now. Maybe his journey is related to a different type of mission, perhaps even an exhile.

Despite his love of Candle, Brook seems to love his King.. so there might be something we we learn there. As for the thematics. Gunko is an echo of Loki, it's the thematic of the false accusation (which seems to be the case, I don't think Gunko actually did that). It's a way to highlight the notion of sacrifice and a form of tragedy.
 
vikas

vikas

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#15
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Juanpiz said:
He just didnt Have one Idea..he had too many ideas:gokulaugh:
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Nah Initially when he wrote the series for 5 years he had one idea then he read other works and got "inspired" but he ain't a god author so it's all just a mess.... pretty much nothing original in his writing. Just inspiration from every epic and other references....and some ideas from our forums...
 
Impact

Impact

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Princess Shuri and Brook
It may be leading up to Ratatoskr freeing Gunko so she will reveal information about Imu. Since she's older and has long hair she looks like her mom.

Sanji and Zaza
Heat might destabilize Zaza's fragile form. Beyond that, in the village, he might have access to things like flour, so he could cook her somehow.

Zoro and Super Sommers
Super Sommers casually brought a new boat. Zoro might not know what to do about a mechanical heart yet, but maybe he can cut that boat.

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As for OVERARCHING THEMES... that's where the critical thinking comes into play without support.

The World Government Has Fears
It was hammered into the readers that the Holy Knights, Five Elders, and Imu's actions are driven by fear. It might be their undoing, and most of it is related to the past.

Fake Gods as a Precursor to Real Gods
Zaza isn't a direct 1:1 dream to reality manifestation. It's flawed still, and not as powerful as a real God, but it introduces them as a concept. It's a facsimile.

I'll add ideas here in short summaries.
 
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Nekomamushi

Nekomamushi

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#19
Higuma said:
There was a time when it felt like the story was structured and planned, but for the last few chapters it's been a mess. Has anyone understood what Oda was trying to say with all these new elements? What's the theme, the message?
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I know perfectly well how you feel - i don't think anyone expected the recent events (Zaza and Brook) - but i consider it a huge plus - considering the size of this fandom - it's good that we can't predict everything.

:goyea::shocking::steef:
 
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