Fanclub The V̶i̶n̶s̶m̶o̶k̶e̶ Sanji FC: The Prince of love

[PuckTheGreat]

This Brook FB is so unnecessary right now....

It does feel a bit annoying considering we are at the climax of the arc but was coming since the princess shuri reveal tbh and Oda did this fckery prior to the Onigashima raid as well with the Oden flashback
But anyways Oda is shite at stalling so everything feels dragged/clunky. Wings fights are not really going to start till Luffy appears in front of Imu.
Reckon we'll get a triple shot like we did during the climax on Wano as well. Plus it's very likely that the outcome of the wings fight will affect Imu in some way.

 

[PuckTheGreat]

It would be pretty sick if Sanji will defeat Zaza indirectly, upgrading his flames and making her evaporating through the heat itself.
A man can dream (Oda is going to mess this fight somehow)

I think whatever Sanji uses to defeat Zaza has to be something born from development that is currently not in Sanji's arsenal so I don't think it's going to be as simple as him just evaporating her with his flames (i.e. though imo it's unlikely as that's techincally Sanji hurting her).
One thing that is important to note with Sanji this arc, although I personally don't really think it is the case with reveal of PoL on Egghead is that Sanji is currently playing catchup to Luffy and Zoro in particular (i.e Jinbe was added for lols but we all know Sanji smokes him) so I don't think the wings fights are going to be equal this arc in that I think Sanji will be developing something new whereas I feel Zoro will be harnessing what he has hence why I think Oda might have introduced this Zaza plot line into Sanji's fight.
Coz there is really no need for Oda to be pitting him against Zaza if the objective is simply for him to defeat Kiringham.

 

[PuckTheGreat]

Btw @Doggo on the Kiringham potentially being competent at CQC argument, I think it's worth noting that Kiringham is a pretty unique mythical zoan even in comparison to the ones we've had so far. Even though mythical zoans usually have a special ability on top of their high physicals, those abilities are usually more "augmentation" than "conjuring" borrowing from HxH logic, so it complements their already high physicals pretty nicely. Kaido, Yamato etc. In Kiringham's case however his abilities are pretty different in the sense that rather than a supplement the conjuring is pretty much doing all the heavy lifting. Hence why I keep referring to him as a mage type and I'm skeptical about him showing impressive CQC feats. Even more so considering he got washed by casual Sanji.

Don't get me wrong there is a lot of potential even with CQC with him from an ability standpoint. For example being able to conjure different types of weapons on the fly in combat could be pretty OP I just doubt Oda's going to be going that route with him as he'd be a bit too strong relative to Super Sommers otherwise imo.

 

[Doggo]

Btw @Doggo on the Kiringham potentially being competent at CQC argument, I think it's worth noting that Kiringham is a pretty unique mythical zoan even in comparison to the ones we've had so far. Even though mythical zoans usually have a special ability on top of their high physicals, those abilities are usually more "augmentation" than "conjuring" borrowing from HxH logic, so it complements their already high physicals pretty nicely. Kaido, Yamato etc. In Kiringham's case however his abilities are pretty different in the sense that rather than a supplement the conjuring is pretty much doing all the heavy lifting. Hence why I keep referring to him as a mage type and I'm skeptical about him showing impressive CQC feats. Even more so considering he got washed by casual Sanji.

Don't get me wrong there is a lot of potential even with CQC with him from an ability standpoint. For example being able to conjure different types of weapons on the fly in combat could be pretty OP I just doubt Oda's going to be going that route with him as he'd be a bit too strong relative to Super Super Sommers otherwise imo.

Phoenix=regenerative flames
Azure Dragon=elemental attacks
Yamato's whatever=ice attacks
9-tails fox=shapeshifting
The mythical monk fruit from that pet in Wano=just becomes a dude
Orochi's fruit=legit did nothing because Orochi blows
etc

Is this "augmentation" in the room with us?

Mythical zoans are just regular zoans with a little magical sprinkle on top of it. It's still, fundamentally, a zoan.

 

[Hiragaro]

Because it should not be a flashback only about Brook. Probably it's more about exploration of holy knights/Imu relationship.

The timing is absolutely terrible…it should have started when Brook approached her. It would have stil been shit, because it just got interesting at that time. Oda always loves to start FB in the middle of fights, which wouldn’t be so bad if he wouldn’t drag the story like he does.

Let alone the random af connection between Brook and Gunko was absolutely unnecessary. Why does every SH needs a connection to or with somebody. This FB ain’t gonna be a short one either, 5-10 chapters easy.

 

[PuckTheGreat]

Phoenix=regenerative flames
Azure Dragon=elemental attacks
Yamato's whatever=ice attacks
9-tails fox=shapeshifting
The mythical monk fruit from that pet in Wano=just becomes a dude
Orochi's fruit=legit did nothing because Orochi blows
etc

Is this "augmentation" in the room with us?

Mythical zoans are just regular zoans with a little magical sprinkle on top of it. It's still, fundamentally, a zoan.

You're basically proving my point with that list lol.

Every ability you listed there augments said zoan's combat abilities in CQC directly. Marco's flames augment his defensive capabilities significantly in 1v1 combat. Same with Kaido and Yamato (i.e. dragon scales, thunder, ice all complement their base in direct combat).

Kiringham on the other hand doesn't enhance his base with his characteristic zoan abilities at all. He manifests them outwards as soldiers to do his bidding. That's fundamentally different from the abilities above. Hence why I class him as a mage type. His fruit is carrying him not complementing his base like the aforementioned examples.

 

[Royal Kick]

Zoro fans are cooked, they're no longer our worst enemy. Flashbacks are.

 

[Doggo]

You're basically proving my point with that list lol.

Every ability you listed there augments said zoan's combat abilities in CQC directly. Marco's flames augment his defensive capabilities significantly in 1v1 combat. Same with Kaido and Yamato (i.e. dragon scales, thunder, ice all complement their base in direct combat).

Kiringham on the other hand doesn't enhance his base with his characteristic zoan abilities at all. He manifests them outwards as soldiers to do his bidding. That's fundamentally different from the abilities above. Hence why I class him as a mage type. His fruit is carrying him not complementing his base like the aforementioned examples.

`Kaido's elemental attacks DO NOT enhance his CQC abilities.

 

[PuckTheGreat]

`Kaido's elemental attacks DO NOT enhance his CQC abilities.

Kaido’s scales enhance his defensive capabilities in CQC. He also coats his attacks in lightning which enhance his AP in CQC (iirc we’ve seen him even use a lightning blast from his mouth in hybrid). Mofo can also use cutting wind attacks and flame breathe 💀. Kaido is defo not the hill you wanna die on on the opposite side of this argument.

 

[Doggo]

Kaido’s scales enhance his defensive capabilities in CQC. He also coats his attacks in lightning which enhance his AP in CQC (iirc we’ve seen him even use a lightning blast from his mouth in hybrid). Mofo can also use cutting wind attacks and flame breathe 💀. Kaido is defo not the hill you wanna die on on the opposite side of this argument.

Lightning breaths are just random blasts.

Idk why you can't summon monsters to help you fight at CQC.