Questions & Mysteries Is Oda just Japanese George Lucas

[Owl Ki]

This is surprising to me lol. Do you mean like the battle droids/droidekas and such?

Yes. I do like the Droid Army in addition to the CIS as a whole. It's my favourite sci-fi robot army.

I love how the B1s are such experts at being trash fodder that the cost of an entire battle ready B1 straight off of the assembly line is less than the armour a clone trooper wears, the embodiment of quantity has a quality all of its own. I love the variety of roles and designs of the robots. Their cannon fodder is expert at being cannon fodder (B1s), their standard infantry is canonically monstrous (B2s), their role specific units are amongst the best ever to exist in their roles (e.g. Tri-fighters), their elite units are terrifyingly efficient while still being far more mass producible than their organic counterparts (e.g. magna guards) and that this entire brutally efficient army is essentially commanded by a bunch of ex-corporate space caravan guards whose employers got pissed at paying too much tax.

I feckin love it. Don't know exactly why but I do. Not to mention the variety of alien races and political factions that inhabit the CIS.

The Republic was so bad that they managed to make the fuckin space communists of Jabiim join the same side as the uber capitalist Galaxy spanning corporations like the Trade Federation, Techno Union, Commerce Guild etc. and they also got some of the most racist cultures in the Galaxy to join the gazillion diversity faction.

The CIS is a beautiful Hodge podge alliance of utterly everything united as one purely by how intolerably stifling the current hegemon is. Again, I love it.

I also really love Grievous. Lol.

So you got an entire faction of xenophobes living the "don't ask a racist the skin colour of his friends/wife" meme, consisting of caravan guards larping as military commanders, all being militarily commanded by Space Cyborg Shaka Timur Zulu Napoleon, being able to openly secede and rebel against an intolerably corrupt hegemon all because the biggest corporations in the galaxy brought the favourite toys of their most autistic engineers together and accidentally created a super army of mechanical Tyranid Zerg so efficient that they only lost because the guy secretly controlling them had to actively sabotage damn near everything at every opportunity.

Yeah, easily my favourite Star Wars faction. I love the aesthetic, I love the diversity, I love the variety and I love barely functioning ramshackle nature of the faction.

 

[Loki D. Terror]

My hot take is that Return of the Jedi isn't that good.

Episodes 4 and 5 were co-directed by Steven Spielberg.

Episode 6 is the first one directed by George Lucas and I feel like you can tell with all childish Ewok nonsense, the nonsensical plan to rescue Han from Jaba, and the emperor dying in maybe the lamest way possible.

George is a good creative/setting builder but he's a terrible writer/director if we're being honest.

Same, Episode 6 is weakest episode of the originals by far.

 

[Elder Lee Hung]

The throne room scene is less egregious than 1/3 of the movie being Ewok antics imo

The Throne Room scene is quite good, easily one of the high points of the trilogy. The rest of episode 6, I can take it or leave it.

I also really love Grievous. Lol.

I loved Greivous before Lucas got his hands on him. Lol

The Greivous we were shown in the original Animated Clone Wars prior to the release of episode 3 was one of the coolest Star Wars characters. The Greivous we got in episode 3 and beyond was quite clownish and disappointing.

Idk why George chose to make Greivous into a clownish Moustache twirling villain when he could have already had a much better fit for that style of character with Dooku. To me Greivous was one of the instances proving that Lucas didn’t know what in the world he was doing.

The biggest problem with the prequels was the idea of Anakin as Space Jesus, I don’t know how no one slapped that idea out of Lucas’s dumbass head. His staff must have been absolutely terrified of him lol.

Generally I agree with Plinkett’s statement, “almost everything in the Prequels is just wrong…it’s almost baffling how complex the awfulness is” lol

I don’t think there is a single thing about the prequels I would describe as good tbh. Even my favorite prequel character Samuel L. Jackson was horribly miscast as yet another forgettable emotionless boring Jedi

 

[Veku]

They're probably the most fun faction to play in the battlefront games tbh

Roger roger

 

[soupongo]

I like Revenge of the Sith a lot but even there I have to consciously ignore the dialogue.

Feel like the prequels beat the sequels because the era is original and an interesting setting for games, shows, and comics, whereas with the sequels it's just the OT again but worse and incoherent.

Tbh, I don't think it helps that Anakins turn to evil is one of the least sympathetic in movie history, especially when that's what the movie is all about

Palatine is a great villain, though

 

[Donquixote Shivercalero]

If you had an argument you would have made one. Lol

You didn’t make an argument yourself you just state the prequels were garbage. Disney’s new Star Wars works besides Andor are all worse than the prequels.

 

[EmperorKinyagi]

Tbh, I don't think it helps that Anakins turn to evil is one of the least sympathetic in movie history, especially when that's what the movie is all about

Palatine is a great villain, though

This scene is cool as fuck

 

[EmperorKinyagi]

Also powerscaling wise Luke retroactively has been made into one of the biggest Gary Stu’s ever

Bro did pushups for a couple months on Dagobah and can fight on par with a literal dark side god 😂

 

[Owl Ki]

I loved Greivous before Lucas got his hands on him. Lol

The Greivous we were shown in the original Animated Clone Wars prior to the release of episode 3 was one of the coolest Star Wars characters. The Greivous we got in episode 3 and beyond was quite clownish and disappointing.

Idk why George chose to make Greivous into a clownish Moustache twirling villain when he could have already had a much better fit for that style of character with Dooku. To me Greivous was one of the instances proving that Lucas didn’t know what in the world he was doing.

Genndy's Grievous was sickeningly awesome. Lol.

I'm alright with RoTS Grievous, he acts cunningly to wriggle out of unfavorable situations. Filoni Grievous is shambolic though. Lol.

Anyway, yeah, I love the CIS. Now that I think about it, the CIS is essentially a giant collection of chuds, larpers and autists that ultimately lose but still happen to be on the right side of history because everybody else after them keeps retardedly proving them posthumously correct.

Last time I saw a faction concept this funny was when Endless Space had the Horatio, an entire faction of clones created by the biggest narcissist ever to exist who wanted a galactic empire filled solely with himself.

 

[Loki D. Terror]

Also powerscaling wise Luke retroactively has been made into one of the biggest Gary Stu’s ever

Bro did pushups for a couple months on Dagobah and can fight on par with a literal dark side god 😂

I doubt power scaling was fixed when ROTJ was written. Most characters which were introduced later on didn't existed back then.

 

[EmperorKinyagi]

I doubt power scaling was fixed when ROTJ was written. Most characters which were introduced later on didn't existed back then.

Yoda and Obi Wan thought Luke could take the emperor in the novelization btw

 

[Elder Lee Hung]

Also powerscaling wise Luke retroactively has been made into one of the biggest Gary Stu’s ever

Bro did pushups for a couple months on Dagobah and can fight on par with a literal dark side god 😂

All because Lucas was mad that EU Star Wars was cooler than his films. Lol

“Oh, you think guys like Exar Kunn and Nihilus are cooler than Darth Vader? Well guess what, this kid who trained to be a Jedi for 3 years starting at age 19 is the most powerful Jedi ever because fuck you. Also Darth Vader is space Jesus, fuck you”

Lucas really is a blithering idiot. Disney can’t even be blamed for this one, this is the fault of Lucas making Luke’s power level of “the strongest ever” canon before he sold Star Wars out of sheer spite

 

[soupongo]

I doubt power scaling was fixed when ROTJ was written. Most characters which were introduced later on didn't existed back then.

Given that there's countless people involved in Star Wars at this point, has powerscaling ever been fixed, lol?

 

[Loki D. Terror]

Given that there's countless people involved in Star Wars at this point, has powerscaling ever been fixed, lol?

I was talking only about lucas and the first 6 films. We saw how anakin in prequels dominated obi wan but a stronger vader in originals didn't seem much above a weaker obi wan.

 

[Donquixote Shivercalero]

Disney Wars is just a regurgitated OG trilogy but so much worse and lame. They have to have the Rebels still being the Rebels even though these feckers have been in charge of the Galaxy for like 20 years straight. The Rebels are still using starfighters from the Clone Wars for crying out loud.

The New Order should logically be the underdogs but Disney can't conceive of that issue so the guys not in charge of the Galaxy pull out a feckin solar system destroying weapon from their rectum that the Empire couldn't hope to create when it controlled the entire smeggin Galaxy.

Funny enough, salty xillenials like @Elder Lee Hung are the reason the Sequel trilogy is like this. They mostly hated the prequels not because its flaws but because it wasn’t the exact same as the Original Trilogy. Even the flashy fight choreography, the best part of the prequels, was replaced by the stiff choreography of the Sequels to appease OT fans.

The Force Awakens legit begins with a meta line about how they are fixing the prequels. JJ Abrams even wanted to add an Easter egg of Jar Jar skull in the desert. The ST is entirely the fault of salty old heads.

 

[EmperorKinyagi]

xillenials like @Elder Lee Hung

“L”ee is in his 50s?????

 

[ElderOnitar]

I was talking only about lucas and the first 6 films. We saw how anakin in prequels dominated obi wan but a stronger vader in originals didn't seem much above a weaker obi wan.

Some of the old EU writers actually had Episode 3 Anakin as stronger than Vader, iirc.
Him getting permanently crippled, charred, and needing a suit to live was supposed to be a permanent nerf in their eyes.

 

[Elder Lee Hung]

Given that there's countless people involved in Star Wars at this point, has powerscaling ever been fixed, lol?

Disney will never fix any of Star Wars’s problems, they are a parasitic corporation that exists to cannibalize things for profit, they ain’t here to fix Star Wars lmfao.

I watched the Maul show, I haven’t watched anything Star Wars related since The Last Jedi, but I watched the Maul show. It started off solid, and then shat it’s pants when Vader showed up at the end.

Serious question: why should Vader dominate Maul? Answer: he shouldn’t, Maul was also a Sith Lord, and prior to this godawful idea of Vader as space Jesus, there was literally nothing to suggest Vader was especially powerful aside from Yoda vaguely calling him “strong”, which wasn’t meant to imply that Vader could dominate other Sith Lords, but was just meant to illustrate to Luke that he was just a learner while Vader was a master.

Now I don’t care what kind of bullshit Lucas/Disney try to push: Vader ain’t that powerful. He’s a master, he shouldn’t be overpowering other masters lol.

But apparently Ashoka one shot an inquisitor who pushed Maul hard, so the real loser in this situation was me for ever believing modern Star Wars was worth even giving a chance lol

 

[EmperorKinyagi]

Disney will never fix any of Star Wars’s problems, they are a parasitic corporation that exists to cannibalize things for profit, they ain’t here to fix Star Wars lmfao.

I watched the Maul show, I haven’t watched anything Star Wars related since The Last Jedi, but I watched the Maul show. It started off solid, and then shat it’s pants when Vader showed up at the end.

Serious question: why should Vader dominate Maul? Answer: he shouldn’t, Maul was also a Sith Lord, and prior to this godawful idea of Vader as space Jesus, there was literally nothing to suggest Vader was especially powerful aside from Yoda vaguely calling him “strong”, which wasn’t meant to imply that Vader could dominate other Sith Lords, but was just meant to illustrate to Luke that he was just a learner while Vader was a master.

Now I don’t care what kind of bullshit Lucas/Disney try to push: Vader ain’t that powerful. He’s a master, he shouldn’t be overpowering other masters lol.

But apparently Ashoka one shot an inquisitor who pushed Maul hard, so the real loser in this situation was me for ever believing modern Star Wars was worth even giving a chance lol

Tbf Maul was heavily nerfed in the show
https://youtube.com/shorts/h9iasc5dwJ4?si=ZsckPoTd9fR1_jzi

One of the writers ^

 

[Elder Lee Hung]

Funny enough, salty xillenials like @Elder Lee Hung are the reason the Sequel trilogy is like this. They mostly hated the prequels not because its flaws but because it wasn’t the exact same as the Original Trilogy. Even the flashy fight choreography, the best part of the prequels, was replaced by the stiff choreography of the Sequels to appease OT fans.

The Force Awakens legit begins with a meta line about how they are fixing the prequels. JJ Abrams even wanted to add an Easter egg of Jar Jar skull in the desert. The ST is entirely the fault of salty old heads.

Yep the classic deflection from low IQ prequel defenders, “everyone who hates the prequels must be 50 years old”, “the prequels aren’t bad, people just have blind nostalgia” lmfao. The prequels were my childhood buddy, the og trilogy had been out for decades by the time I was born.

That said, the prequels being dogshit is objective, nothing about them is good. The OG trilogy outside of Empire really isn’t even that good either, they are simply well made films and nothing more. Star Wars was never that good but prequel enjoyers aren’t ready for that conversation since they Straw Man everyone who tells them how awful the prequels are as blind OG trilogy fans lmfao.

Nope sorry, the prequels are godawful CGI slop written by a retard who looked at a Space Nazi SS officer and thought “I’d better make him Space Jesus” LOL