Controversial Be smart and quit One Piece OR admit you love it
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Fanverse sucks when it comes to bleach tbh. @ZenZu most there believe yammy was strongest espada
Fanverse sucks when it comes to bleach tbh. @ZenZu most there believe yammy was strongest espada
The only scale I mostly follow is the Ichigo scale since he can be the common denominator.
Last response, won't bother if you intend to just troll w/o addressing anything thereafter.
All-out Zoro using Asura has feat of briefly overpowering and doing decent damage to Hybrid Kaido without ACoC, yes?
Imagine trying to dismiss that entirely by saying, "Zoro was getting his ass kicked and doing only superficial damage against base Kaido in 5v1. And you're telling me he can hurt Hybrid Kaido? LMAO. No he can't."
It makes no sense. It's basically says because Zoro did superficial damage in 5v1 while not going all-out, all his feats while going all out later on are invalidated.
The metric you're using is far worse than that.
Hitsugaya got overpowered in pure CQC (his weakest area) and took no real damage vs Luppi. It wasn't even 3v1. The other two are fodders.
Then with a tiny bit of prep, he one-shot negged Luppi in pure 1v1. No one was helping him then.
And when unrestricted and using HH, he can instantly, without prep, use attacks that dwarf the one which one-shot Luppi. Hitsugaya massively holds back by not using HH.
But you're ignoring the latter two facts entirely and just focused on what happened to a massively weaker and held back version of Hitsugaya in pure CQC. And using that to invalidate his portrayal and showings while going all-out and actually using his elemental attacks.
Idk what to say, man.
All-out Zoro using Asura has feat of briefly overpowering and doing decent damage to Hybrid Kaido without ACoC, yes?
Imagine trying to dismiss that entirely by saying, "Zoro was getting his ass kicked and doing only superficial damage against base Kaido in 5v1. And you're telling me he can hurt Hybrid Kaido? LMAO. No he can't."
It makes no sense. It's basically says because Zoro did superficial damage in 5v1 while not going all-out, all his feats while going all out later on are invalidated.
The metric you're using is far worse than that.
Hitsugaya got overpowered in pure CQC (his weakest area) and took no real damage vs Luppi. It wasn't even 3v1. The other two are fodders.
Then with a tiny bit of prep, he one-shot negged Luppi in pure 1v1. No one was helping him then.
And when unrestricted and using HH, he can instantly, without prep, use attacks that dwarf the one which one-shot Luppi. Hitsugaya massively holds back by not using HH.
But you're ignoring the latter two facts entirely and just focused on what happened to a massively weaker and held back version of Hitsugaya in pure CQC. And using that to invalidate his portrayal and showings while going all-out and actually using his elemental attacks.
Idk what to say, man.
You've been using Luppi example for past 4 posts. Which in itself is irrelevant to literally anything you said here. Nothing about that had anything to do with speed and everything to do with ice-prep.
In any case, no speed comparison metric. I know people like to think because Ulq blitzed Ichigo (who himself has zero speed comparisons with top 3 Espada), he's automatically faster than every single Espada, but literally no real direct or indirect comparison puts him as MASSIVELY faster than Harribel.
Trying to argue he'd be able to run circles around her and massively dwarf her in speed to the point she looks like a fodder- because that's what you're implying as Hitsugaya could react to and hang with Harribel just fine (he only struggled when he was baiting her into clone)- is unfounded and lacks evidence.
In any case, no speed comparison metric. I know people like to think because Ulq blitzed Ichigo (who himself has zero speed comparisons with top 3 Espada), he's automatically faster than every single Espada, but literally no real direct or indirect comparison puts him as MASSIVELY faster than Harribel.
Trying to argue he'd be able to run circles around her and massively dwarf her in speed to the point she looks like a fodder- because that's what you're implying as Hitsugaya could react to and hang with Harribel just fine (he only struggled when he was baiting her into clone)- is unfounded and lacks evidence.
I don't remember too much of Hanzo's feats but he is portrayed a level above the Sannin and probably put up a better fight than Jiraiya did vs Pain and pre-Sharingan arm Danzo is at best comparable to them via portrayal so Hanzo wins easily. After that then ehh idk tbh I think Danzo wins more often than not especially IF Hanzo isn't sure about Izanagi since that will definitely take Hanzo by surprise. His Fuuton also should be enough to keep the range and has AP feats to break Sasuke's Susano'o which is more durable than anything Hanzo has shown (unless I am forgetting something since I have forgotten a lot about Hanzo).
With Kotoamatsukami unrestricted though it's a GG. Kotoamatsukami GG. Hanzo gets curbstomped and has nothing to stop it
With Kotoamatsukami unrestricted though it's a GG. Kotoamatsukami GG. Hanzo gets curbstomped and has nothing to stop it
Ichigo was running circles around Byakuya with Bankai alone, Hollow Mask is another lvl entirely.
Anyone who is struggling against Luppi in any shape or form in a 3v1 is just outstatted badly by Ulquiorra. There is no need to discuss how abilities play out, the raw combat gap is too big for a Luppi victim.
Hitsugaya is not nearly as fast as Bankai Ichigo let alone with Hollow Mask.
Even Base Ulquiorra is gonna outclass him, and you're saying R1 which is a joke not even worth a real response.
Anyone who is struggling against Luppi in any shape or form in a 3v1 is just outstatted badly by Ulquiorra. There is no need to discuss how abilities play out, the raw combat gap is too big for a Luppi victim.
Hitsugaya is not nearly as fast as Bankai Ichigo let alone with Hollow Mask.
Even Base Ulquiorra is gonna outclass him, and you're saying R1 which is a joke not even worth a real response.
No. I'm trying to emphasize that Ichigo's PL is inconsistent due to mental block. Or Dordoni > Base Yammy, which isn't really farfetched anyway. Regardless-
Bankai Ichigo struggling against Dordoni (even if he won without mask,it'd be high diff) is a canonical fact. He'd get shit on by likes of Luppi.
Ignoring that won't make it stop existing.
Byakuya >>>>> Luppi >>>>>> Dordoni ~ Bankai Ichigo
SS feats can't apply to HM. No one does that for a reason.
Bankai Ichigo struggling against Dordoni (even if he won without mask,it'd be high diff) is a canonical fact. He'd get shit on by likes of Luppi.
Ignoring that won't make it stop existing.
Byakuya >>>>> Luppi >>>>>> Dordoni ~ Bankai Ichigo
SS feats can't apply to HM. No one does that for a reason.
There's also Hitsugaya struggling with Bankai against Grimmjow's underling fraccion 😂
Then when he was able to go full power Renji confirmed that they were only able to win because they caught them offguard, implying that all of those fights were genuinely tough for them.
Stop with this dumbass Hitsugaya agenda. There is no metric where he is keeping up with the Espada who excel in CQC, who can outright embarrass Bankai Ichigo low diff. Stop it. Prep is a non factor when someone can blitz and put a hole in you before you can even react.
Then when he was able to go full power Renji confirmed that they were only able to win because they caught them offguard, implying that all of those fights were genuinely tough for them.
Stop with this dumbass Hitsugaya agenda. There is no metric where he is keeping up with the Espada who excel in CQC, who can outright embarrass Bankai Ichigo low diff. Stop it. Prep is a non factor when someone can blitz and put a hole in you before you can even react.