Spoiler One Piece Chapter Spoiler 1187 Spoilers Discussion
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Elbaf is the funniest arc man
Unironical gaslighting or coping mechanism at this point.
Sanji got introduced fighting against adults, starving as a kid longer than adult zoro without food in his intro, the arc litterarly spelling out by zeff that he has the same spear as luffy
Like i already told @Mr. Reloaded must be a self-preservation mechanism to defend all those dumb ass accumalted over the years takes i cant explain it otherwise
Sanji got introduced fighting against adults, starving as a kid longer than adult zoro without food in his intro, the arc litterarly spelling out by zeff that he has the same spear as luffy
Like i already told @Mr. Reloaded must be a self-preservation mechanism to defend all those dumb ass accumalted over the years takes i cant explain it otherwise
You could say the same thing about Zoro, no?
Why did it take a fight with Kaido for him to unlock conqueror’s? Why didn’t he have it earlier in life?
The real reason is that Oda had to establish Luffy as the first in line for the ability. That’s why Luffy had it and actively used it for hundreds of chapters before Zoro awakened it
That’s another thing too. People don’t seem to realize that there’s an order to these things
Luffy is 1, Zoro is 2, Sanji is 3
Sanji was never going to awaken conqueror’s haki before Zoro because Zoro sits above him in the hierarchy
Why did it take a fight with Kaido for him to unlock conqueror’s? Why didn’t he have it earlier in life?
The real reason is that Oda had to establish Luffy as the first in line for the ability. That’s why Luffy had it and actively used it for hundreds of chapters before Zoro awakened it
That’s another thing too. People don’t seem to realize that there’s an order to these things
Luffy is 1, Zoro is 2, Sanji is 3
Sanji was never going to awaken conqueror’s haki before Zoro because Zoro sits above him in the hierarchy
Not even just the same spear as Luffy but the same spear as Zoro too
In that same arc it’s emphasized that Zoro, just like Luffy, would rather die than face defeat
The “spear of grit” speech perfectly encapsulates Sanji’s character and also his vow when it comes to not hitting women. He won’t bend or budge on that for anyone or anything, even if it kills him
In that same arc it’s emphasized that Zoro, just like Luffy, would rather die than face defeat
The “spear of grit” speech perfectly encapsulates Sanji’s character and also his vow when it comes to not hitting women. He won’t bend or budge on that for anyone or anything, even if it kills him
If Zoro had such moment in his life before.
Bro dominated east blue.
Reality check came from Mihawk.
Pre time skip, conqueror wasn't even known to people until amazon lily or marineford 'properly'.
Post time skip, Zoro was never pushed to extreme until kaidou.
Then how come Zoro started using CoA, Ryou, AdCoC before luffy?
Bro dominated east blue.
Reality check came from Mihawk.
Pre time skip, conqueror wasn't even known to people until amazon lily or marineford 'properly'.
Post time skip, Zoro was never pushed to extreme until kaidou.
Then how come Zoro started using CoA, Ryou, AdCoC before luffy?
Baratie shows that Sanji rejected dying for his own ambition. It does not show an absence of will(haki). In that same conflict, he allowed Pearl to beat him nearly to death because surrendering the Baratie meant surrendering Zeff’s life and dream. Sanji was fully prepared to die; he placed another person’s cause above his own. You have silently converted CoC into “willingness to die specifically for your personal ambition,” a criterion the manga has never established.
i agree that WCI shows Sanji genuinely despairing and failing to formulate a solution. But the people being gambled were Zeff, his crew and even the family he hated. His kindness and pathological tendency to carry everyone’s survival alone destroyed his judgment. Chapter 856 confirms that he still wanted to return; he simply believed every available escape condemned somebody else. Oden similarly surrendered his authority, reputation and initiative for five years to protect hostages. Ace abandoned his own Pirate King pursuit to advance Whitebeard’s. Temporary surrender and placing others above your ambition plainly coexist with CoC. This has never been an issue in the past, but now that Sanji enters the game, it’s an „asspull“.
“Sanji is about kindness, not dominance or leadership” creates another criterion only when discussing Sanji. Kindness describes what his will serves, not how powerful it is. Zoro’s character is primarily built around swordsmanship, discipline and loyalty, rather than ruling people. Rayleigh, Gaban, Ace and Katakuri also served another person. CoC has never required someone’s defining character theme to be dominance.
Your Killer answer concedes my argument. Chapter 1000 includes Killer in the same new-generation framing. Saying he might qualify later if he becomes stronger means that framing alone certifies nobody. Law being grouped with Luffy and Kid establishes his status among the leading pirates of his generation; it does not transfer every ability possessed by the other two. Their equal post-Wano bounties did not make Law an Emperor either, right?
Law has a very strong and more conventional case for CoC. But you calling Sanji-without-Law an asspull turns your personal ranking into a canon eligibility rule.
Across these replies, the supposed requirement has moved from never abandoning ambition, to dominance, to leadership, to strength, and finally to association with other conquerors. Every version is applied wherever it elevates Law over Sanji. I respect the „faith“.
i agree that WCI shows Sanji genuinely despairing and failing to formulate a solution. But the people being gambled were Zeff, his crew and even the family he hated. His kindness and pathological tendency to carry everyone’s survival alone destroyed his judgment. Chapter 856 confirms that he still wanted to return; he simply believed every available escape condemned somebody else. Oden similarly surrendered his authority, reputation and initiative for five years to protect hostages. Ace abandoned his own Pirate King pursuit to advance Whitebeard’s. Temporary surrender and placing others above your ambition plainly coexist with CoC. This has never been an issue in the past, but now that Sanji enters the game, it’s an „asspull“.
“Sanji is about kindness, not dominance or leadership” creates another criterion only when discussing Sanji. Kindness describes what his will serves, not how powerful it is. Zoro’s character is primarily built around swordsmanship, discipline and loyalty, rather than ruling people. Rayleigh, Gaban, Ace and Katakuri also served another person. CoC has never required someone’s defining character theme to be dominance.
Your Killer answer concedes my argument. Chapter 1000 includes Killer in the same new-generation framing. Saying he might qualify later if he becomes stronger means that framing alone certifies nobody. Law being grouped with Luffy and Kid establishes his status among the leading pirates of his generation; it does not transfer every ability possessed by the other two. Their equal post-Wano bounties did not make Law an Emperor either, right?
Law has a very strong and more conventional case for CoC. But you calling Sanji-without-Law an asspull turns your personal ranking into a canon eligibility rule.
Across these replies, the supposed requirement has moved from never abandoning ambition, to dominance, to leadership, to strength, and finally to association with other conquerors. Every version is applied wherever it elevates Law over Sanji. I respect the „faith“.
Life got busier for some months and i drifted away from posting here. I've been lurking though. Still reading spoilers and looking through the threads every now and then.
However i spent too much time debunking arguments about Sanji not having the qualities of a Conqueror while i was active, to not acknowledge now Gaban straight out telling us that he does, and that he must become a King for Luffy to become the King of the Pirates.
And with this
Oda also settles two other extensive arguments i had about the significance of Luffy's words towards Sanji at Whole Cake
and the significance of Robin's statement
single-handedly refuting the "Sanji's strength is not a significant factor" angle.
However i spent too much time debunking arguments about Sanji not having the qualities of a Conqueror while i was active, to not acknowledge now Gaban straight out telling us that he does, and that he must become a King for Luffy to become the King of the Pirates.
And with this
Oda also settles two other extensive arguments i had about the significance of Luffy's words towards Sanji at Whole Cake
and the significance of Robin's statement
single-handedly refuting the "Sanji's strength is not a significant factor" angle.
Life got busier for some months and i drifted away from posting here. I've been lurking though. Still reading spoilers and looking through the threads every now and then.
However i spent too much time debunking arguments about Sanji not having the qualities of a Conqueror while i was active, to not acknowledge now Gaban straight out telling us that he does, and that he must become a King for Luffy to become the King of the Pirates.
And with this
Oda also settles two other extensive arguments i had about the significance of Luffy's words towards Sanji at Whole Cake
and the significance of Robin's statement
single-handedly refuting the "Sanji's strength is not a significant factor" angle.
However i spent too much time debunking arguments about Sanji not having the qualities of a Conqueror while i was active, to not acknowledge now Gaban straight out telling us that he does, and that he must become a King for Luffy to become the King of the Pirates.
And with this
Oda also settles two other extensive arguments i had about the significance of Luffy's words towards Sanji at Whole Cake
and the significance of Robin's statement
single-handedly refuting the "Sanji's strength is not a significant factor" angle.
He is waffling
I am very smart
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