Game of Thrones/ASOIAF
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That's cope. Cole got it done in tourneys and in war.
Nothing we know about Daemon suggests he would've held back in the melee. Dude was wielding Dark Sister and lost to Cole. Then lost to him again the joust.
Cole was a beast with lance and sword, and even better with a morning star.
On equal footing, he'd be the favourite against Daemon every time.
Nothing we know about Daemon suggests he would've held back in the melee. Dude was wielding Dark Sister and lost to Cole. Then lost to him again the joust.
Cole was a beast with lance and sword, and even better with a morning star.
On equal footing, he'd be the favourite against Daemon every time.
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Well, I feel the show really overrated Daemon in the tourney scene. IIRC, in the book, it was a clean win for Cole both on the horse and in melee and he won decisively in both. The book shows a clear gap. Like he's straight up called the strongest warrior in the seven kingdoms if my memory isn't failing. There's also obvious tension shown in the show between Daemon and Cole. If GRRM wanted to make it clear Daemon surpassed him then he would have.
Experience does matter obviously but it's important to note that Cole was around the same age as Daemon then became a member of the kingsguard then the hand of the king. No way he wasn't training and improving as well during those years. He was in his prime after all. Also trained Aemond who's a fierce fighter in his own right. We know Aemond respects strength over most things and Cole is the guy he respects the most on the Greens side. He also destroyed Harwin in a 1 on 1 fight in the book where he shattered the guy's collarbone. That combined with his great performance in the war.
At least from my reading experience, I think GRRM was consistent with the portrayal of Cole being the strongest knight in the realm and the strongest warrior on the Greens side once dragons were removed.
Kinda feeds well into his whole narrative. He's pretty much betrayed his own ideology by sleeping with not one but 2 different queens of the realm. It's obvious there's a huge amount of self resentment and the only thing saving him was his own strength and Alicent. It's why he tells Gwayne in S2E8 that his only philosophy/way is his sword and he's a scumbag outside of that or something along those lines.
Don't reckon strength is emphasized for Daemon nearly as much.
Kinda a shame they never actually met or fought in the Dance because I feel they had a very underrated rivalry dynamic. But well, at that point the focus was on Aemond vs Daemon. This is very far fetched but Daemon having to kill himself to beat Cole's protege is probably GRRM hinting that Daemon would need to self destruct to have a chance at beating Cole but that's probably my fanboy side talking so I won't really mention that in a debate. Just good food for thought ig
Experience does matter obviously but it's important to note that Cole was around the same age as Daemon then became a member of the kingsguard then the hand of the king. No way he wasn't training and improving as well during those years. He was in his prime after all. Also trained Aemond who's a fierce fighter in his own right. We know Aemond respects strength over most things and Cole is the guy he respects the most on the Greens side. He also destroyed Harwin in a 1 on 1 fight in the book where he shattered the guy's collarbone. That combined with his great performance in the war.
At least from my reading experience, I think GRRM was consistent with the portrayal of Cole being the strongest knight in the realm and the strongest warrior on the Greens side once dragons were removed.
Kinda feeds well into his whole narrative. He's pretty much betrayed his own ideology by sleeping with not one but 2 different queens of the realm. It's obvious there's a huge amount of self resentment and the only thing saving him was his own strength and Alicent. It's why he tells Gwayne in S2E8 that his only philosophy/way is his sword and he's a scumbag outside of that or something along those lines.
Don't reckon strength is emphasized for Daemon nearly as much.
Kinda a shame they never actually met or fought in the Dance because I feel they had a very underrated rivalry dynamic. But well, at that point the focus was on Aemond vs Daemon. This is very far fetched but Daemon having to kill himself to beat Cole's protege is probably GRRM hinting that Daemon would need to self destruct to have a chance at beating Cole but that's probably my fanboy side talking so I won't really mention that in a debate. Just good food for thought ig
Yeah Cole was no joke. I only question him because he never really fights in major battles while Daemon fights in several. I don’t think the Harwin thing should be taken that seriously as it wasn’t a fight to the death. (Btw didn’t Harwin seriously fuck Cole up? Lol)
Yeah book Aemond’s skill as a fighter Isn’t really all that clear, though I like to think show Aemond beating Cole is canon in GRRM’s mind since Aemond is one of my favorite Targaryens. Lol
Seriously Ewan Mitchell’s portrayal of Aemond is one of those casting choices where Ewan just transcends the character. A lot of casting in HoD is good/excellent but Ewan’s portrayal of this character is legit other-worldly to me.
Yeah book Aemond’s skill as a fighter Isn’t really all that clear, though I like to think show Aemond beating Cole is canon in GRRM’s mind since Aemond is one of my favorite Targaryens. Lol
Seriously Ewan Mitchell’s portrayal of Aemond is one of those casting choices where Ewan just transcends the character. A lot of casting in HoD is good/excellent but Ewan’s portrayal of this character is legit other-worldly to me.
Periodic reminder:
Fire and Blood: Chapter “A Surfeit of Rulers”
Old Sir Ellias tells a young King Jahaerys that if Maegor rose from the dead, he would bet on Jahaerys killing Maegor in combat
Jahaerys bested Roger Baratheon’s younger brother in 1v1 combat during the final battle of the Third Dornish War, Jahaerys nearly decapitated him with his final blow. The Baratheons back then were already huge strong men, Lord Roger famously stated multiple times during Maegor’s life that he wanted to fight and kill Maegor in single combat
And also Jahaerys at 55 years old fought and killed a 17 year old knight
Jahaerys Targaryen is HIM, people seriously need to discuss him more among the best Targaryen warriors
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Fire and Blood: Chapter “A Surfeit of Rulers”
Old Sir Ellias tells a young King Jahaerys that if Maegor rose from the dead, he would bet on Jahaerys killing Maegor in combat
Jahaerys bested Roger Baratheon’s younger brother in 1v1 combat during the final battle of the Third Dornish War, Jahaerys nearly decapitated him with his final blow. The Baratheons back then were already huge strong men, Lord Roger famously stated multiple times during Maegor’s life that he wanted to fight and kill Maegor in single combat
And also Jahaerys at 55 years old fought and killed a 17 year old knight
Jahaerys Targaryen is HIM, people seriously need to discuss him more among the best Targaryen warriors
@God Buggy @Cruxroux @NikaInParis @SakazOuki @RayanOO @TheAncientCenturion @TheKnightOfTheSea @Rumble @Bullet @KingOnizam @Alexis2282AE @Daniel @Dragon777