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Is Mu a swordsman?

  • Of course he is

  • Nah, this time it will be different


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nik87

Kitetsu Wanker
#1
At the wake of utter and complete devastation of both Nika and Nidhogg, by the Blade of Void and the Blade of Hatred...
...we find ourselves back at the same question that we experienced at the start of this voyage, despite being near its end:
- Is Swordsman a Swordsman? -



The same copium-fueled nonsense that we saw all these years when they tried to save Roger, Shanks, Rocks, Shamrock, Nusjuro...

Roger lasted the longest, all the way until Wano when Zoro obtained the power of a handful of the strongest.
That was the moment when Roger Gang ran out of copium and the backbone of their delusion finally collapsed.
Until then, all kinds of mental gymnastics were performed which now, looking back, look utterly ridiculous.
Even back then, to everyone sane, it looked just as ridiculous.
While they grabbed onto guns and hakiman gymnastics, the sane people always had the same reaction:
Man, look at that self-sabotage...


Shanks was also a long-lasting source of copium, spanning through all these years alongside Roger.
He was a little bit less of a sinking straw than Roger was because many considered him weaker than Roger and ignored my teachings that Shanks was all that Roger was but better. Instead of >No way is Mihawk stronger than Pirate King, here we had >No way is Mihawk stronger than Oda's self-insert and MC's idol...
The god king, the ultimate hakiman, kickboxer or whatever...
Same result... Self-sabotage...
Shanks Gang broke down when they saw that all they hoped for Shanks is present on every swordsman worth his salt.


Shamrock is one of the latest copium pitstops, short-lived so far due to late introduction but not a little bit less relevant than others.
We can already see that the Copium Gang threw away Shanks in favor of Shamrock as the stronger brother.
It is fine now that Mihawk is stronger than Shanks because Shamrock is stronger than both.
He is the mighty swordsman, buffed by the immortality covenant and the mighty Cerberus!
Meanwhile, to everyone sane, Shamrock too is also just a self-sabotage...


Baron V Nusjuro can also be found among the premium cope stock.
Not as favored as others because of direct link to Zoro and inevitable doom by Kitetsu swordsman, one or another but still a staw to grab onto.
This is the light and the end of the tunnel, the one who towers above Mihawk.
The one who is supposedly going to be Zoro's final fight in the show.
While different from others, also, clearly and purely, self-sabotage...


Rocks D Xebec or Davy D Xebec, one of the Imu's enemies and the rival of mighty Harald.
The guy who shoots cannonballs made of haki! This was the long-awaited saving grace of the Copium Gang.
Finally a Hakiman that does things even Shanks cant do!
In the end, nothing but a swordsman who accomplishes the same as all others before him - upscaling Mihawk.
Rode a strong but short hype wave and ended up as just another self-sabotage of those who cannot accept the most obvious...

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In the end, we arrive at Nerona Imu.
The shining star that once again gives hope to the hopeless.
This character resurrects all the mental gymnastics that died away during these long years, giving them a second chance.
It will be different this time, right? Right?!

Oda could have chosen any attack, any weapon to end the two archenemies of Mu but he chose swords.
Other than regular Omen-named attacks, the 3 that stand out are all swords - Nemesis, Stigma and Vohu!
He ended Nidhogg with the Blade of Hatred.
He chose to end Nika with the Blade of Nothingness(Shiryu stocks up, up and away).

The Gang is now forced with 2 choices:
1 - Deny Imu being a swordsman
2 - Admit the obvious but be in perfect condition for mental gymnastics

The first choice is already a "safe path" that many are taking but delusional nonetheless, same as denying Roger being a swordsman.
The second choice seems to also gain serious traction, the copium stocks are refueled and they are ready.
Ready to take the final stand because they ran out of space to move the goal post.

Nerona Imu is the saviour, the one who will do what all others before him failed to do - dethrone Mihawk.
We are already seeing that Imu is the true World's Strongest Swordsman while Mihawk is the fake World's Strongest Swordsman.

Zoro's goal will turn into becoming the fake World's Strongest Swordsman because there is no way he could beat the true one.
Of course, that makes sense. Because him being stronger than Imu doesnt make sense... Right? Right?!

Or you could go with Erkan's copium nindo of saying that Imu is WSS while Mihawk and Zoro are merely WGS but not sure if it would help.

Ask yourselves - Why doesnt Oda attach the "World's Strongest" under Imu's name?
Ask yourselves - Why arent Nemesis, Stigma and Vohu the strongest weapons in the world, instead of Yoru?
Are we at the end of the copium nindo or will there be others, perhaps those that Imu fears, as new copium checkpoints?

Just how much damaji are yall going to do to yourself with all this sabotaji?


Let the scholars begin to huff the premium stuff.
 
#2
I dont know what's more retarded, ZKK or thinking Kekhawk, the man who had the same rank as Gecko Moria before the dissolution of that org, is stronger than Imu who ran that org 4 levels higher, making him his janitor

So yeah its not gonna be different i fear, another plane hitting the scholar temple
 

HA001

World's Strongest Swordsman
#3
I dont know what's more retarded, ZKK or thinking Kekhawk, the man who had the same rank as Gecko Moria before the dissolution of that org, is stronger than Imu who ran that org 4 levels higher, making him his janitor

So yeah its not gonna be different i fear, another plane hitting the scholar temple
Why does his rank matter ? Hes already left behind yonko pirate kings and their superiors.
 
#4
Not enough mention for Shiryu. You need to mention Teach's underling more. And you say I don't hype Shiryu enough. :suresure:
Or you could go with Erkan's copium nindo of saying that Imu is WSS while Mihawk and Zoro are merely WGS but not sure if it would help.
I see I live rent free in the minds of ZKKfans once again. :vistalaugh: If you call me "Werkan-sama" like that bootlicker GalaxyLevelShanks the circle will be complete.
We desperately need Werkan Sama
 
#5
I dont know what's more retarded, ZKK or thinking Kekhawk, the man who had the same rank as Gecko Moria before the dissolution of that org, is stronger than Imu who ran that org 4 levels higher, making him his janitor

So yeah its not gonna be different i fear, another plane hitting the scholar temple
Lihawk being Warlord would be acceptable if he wasn't voluntarily being one after he tried to take revenge by being "Marine Hunter", the guy is a failure like Croco or Moria.

If he was planning something from it, like Teach planned to trick Government, then that would be acceptable, but Lihawk is nothing but failure right now. Even hiding behind Buggy as Oda said.

Shiryu should easily be above him, he is a better character who refuse to work for the government and joined Teach, and landed the most damaging blow to the "Hero Marine" Garp.
 
#8
1. Anyone not trolling clearly understands Mihawk would do to Luffy what Imu just did.

Throughout the entire Kaido fight I was just thinking "If Kaido was a swordsman he'd have killed luffy a dozen times by now" because it's true.

And the time Luffy goes up against a blade he gets impaled, because that's what would have ended his pirating career this whole time.

That's why people are now saying Luffy needs equipment like Imu has just to compete and stay alive. We've seen depictions of Nika wielding a shield or spear etc.

2. Anyway Imu being stronger than Mihawk is not what's important here. The fact that he's using sword techniques raises a question "Is Oda okay with showing stronger swordsmanship than Mihawk's before he even shows off Mihawk's capabilities?"

The answer is clearly no in my humble opinion. Meaning whatever Imu is showing, must be inferior to whatever Mihawk is capable of. We can bring up that he's nerfed but I don't see how that affects the literal weapons he's using like this Sword of Nothingness.

So therefore and likewise, if Yoru is to remain the strongest sword, it should also be superior to any blade Imu pulls out, whatever hax abilities it has.

3. Meaning, Imu's capabilities and toolkit when it comes to this must be inferior to whatever Mihawk can do. If I'm being charitable, maybe it doesn't matter that Imu's maki itself is being shaped into a sword with stigma, because it's his Maki at the end of the day no matter what shape it's in.

But even then I just see it as a cheap knock off of Yoru. Which is the real deal. I mean this as in The Strongest Blade used in the hands of the Strongest Swordsman, should be more effective than a nerfed Imu shaping his maki into a sword. I don't think this is farfetched.

4. Pirate warriors specifically was more accurate that many presumed, because it showed Shanks imbuing his conquerors haki into his sword attacks, way before we saw him use Divine Departure. Similarly if we look at Mihawk's skillset in that game, it's all related to Imu in some way.

16 day moon, Kokuto: Mu, etc. Even if Mihawk is not stronger than Imu, his swordsmanship must be stronger than Imu's. That is just one tool out of many that Imu uses and even if it's amplified by his power, that doesn't mean it is stronger than someone who has dedicated their entire life to that one tool that Imu uses.

5. If Shanks haki is anywhere near the realm of Joyboy's then assuredly Imu would acknowledge Shanks as being strong, the Gorosei already do. And we know for a fact his haki imbued sword techniques are weaker than Mihawks.

If you aren't disingenuous you will then come to the conclusion that Mihawk's swordsmanship, reaches the realm of Joyboy's league in terms of it's effectiveness. And if that is the case, then it is again not a stretch to say it is stronger than any sword Imu can pull out.

And if you're asking what justifies Mihawk's swordsmanship being so strong, aside from using the logic that it must be above Shanks's, that can be a combination of factors.

6. Mihawk already being very strong and paired with Yoru which can be insane in it's own right. If you disagree then you are also saying Yoru is not even top 20 sword potentially, because of the 20 swords Imu could have in his bag.

You have to essentially quadruple down on what we know about Mihawk and his Blade to be untrue. Even Yoru is connected to marejois and potentially the void century.

This combination is what allows Mihawk's swordsmanship to be this strong, even if he himself is not as strong as Joyboy. And at the end of the day the sword chose him, and he tamed it. Yoru itself can be a symbol of the culmination of all the sword techniques Imu is using.

7.I don't believe Oda would disrespect Zoro's goal like that, because even if Mihawk were to be a stepping stone for Zoro to help save the world or whatever, it's still his literal dream at the end of the day, his kingly ambition.

I can logically demonstrate my conclusions but at the end of the day some people will just need to see it to believe it, part of their frustration is Mihawk being held back for so long, but that's literally what opposes their Mihawk slander. They don't seem to realise that or don't care because of said frustration.

None of what I said means Mihawk is literally stronger than Imu, but it shows why Mihawk's swordsmanship can be stronger than any sword technique Imu can throw out.
 
#13
I dont know what's more retarded, ZKK or thinking Kekhawk, the man who had the same rank as Gecko Moria before the dissolution of that org, is stronger than Imu who ran that org 4 levels higher, making him his janitor

So yeah its not gonna be different i fear, another plane hitting the scholar temple
Honestly I am kinda embarassed to think that I was a zoro fan.
 
#15
Their problem is that if They put any of those guys above Mihawk, then They are forced to put 50 others above him,
They are willing to believe Greatest Swordsman & Zoro's Dream Opponent is not in Top 50 over believing He is Top 3 lol
Truly peak copium.
Zolo literally faced his "dream" opponent, and trained by him for 2 years. At this point, Mihawk would better be killed by someone else instead of hiding behind Buggy, that's better.
 

nik87

Kitetsu Wanker
#17
1. Anyone not trolling clearly understands Mihawk would do to Luffy what Imu just did.

Throughout the entire Kaido fight I was just thinking "If Kaido was a swordsman he'd have killed luffy a dozen times by now" because it's true.

And the time Luffy goes up against a blade he gets impaled, because that's what would have ended his pirating career this whole time.

That's why people are now saying Luffy needs equipment like Imu has just to compete and stay alive. We've seen depictions of Nika wielding a shield or spear etc.

2. Anyway Imu being stronger than Mihawk is not what's important here. The fact that he's using sword techniques raises a question "Is Oda okay with showing stronger swordsmanship than Mihawk's before he even shows off Mihawk's capabilities?"

The answer is clearly no in my humble opinion. Meaning whatever Imu is showing, must be inferior to whatever Mihawk is capable of. We can bring up that he's nerfed but I don't see how that affects the literal weapons he's using like this Sword of Nothingness.

So therefore and likewise, if Yoru is to remain the strongest sword, it should also be superior to any blade Imu pulls out, whatever hax abilities it has.

3. Meaning, Imu's capabilities and toolkit when it comes to this must be inferior to whatever Mihawk can do. If I'm being charitable, maybe it doesn't matter that Imu's maki itself is being shaped into a sword with stigma, because it's his Maki at the end of the day no matter what shape it's in.

But even then I just see it as a cheap knock off of Yoru. Which is the real deal. I mean this as in The Strongest Blade used in the hands of the Strongest Swordsman, should be more effective than a nerfed Imu shaping his maki into a sword. I don't think this is farfetched.

4. Pirate warriors specifically was more accurate that many presumed, because it showed Shanks imbuing his conquerors haki into his sword attacks, way before we saw him use Divine Departure. Similarly if we look at Mihawk's skillset in that game, it's all related to Imu in some way.

16 day moon, Kokuto: Mu, etc. Even if Mihawk is not stronger than Imu, his swordsmanship must be stronger than Imu's. That is just one tool out of many that Imu uses and even if it's amplified by his power, that doesn't mean it is stronger than someone who has dedicated their entire life to that one tool that Imu uses.

5. If Shanks haki is anywhere near the realm of Joyboy's then assuredly Imu would acknowledge Shanks as being strong, the Gorosei already do. And we know for a fact his haki imbued sword techniques are weaker than Mihawks.

If you aren't disingenuous you will then come to the conclusion that Mihawk's swordsmanship, reaches the realm of Joyboy's league in terms of it's effectiveness. And if that is the case, then it is again not a stretch to say it is stronger than any sword Imu can pull out.

And if you're asking what justifies Mihawk's swordsmanship being so strong, aside from using the logic that it must be above Shanks's, that can be a combination of factors.

6. Mihawk already being very strong and paired with Yoru which can be insane in it's own right. If you disagree then you are also saying Yoru is not even top 20 sword potentially, because of the 20 swords Imu could have in his bag.

You have to essentially quadruple down on what we know about Mihawk and his Blade to be untrue. Even Yoru is connected to marejois and potentially the void century.

This combination is what allows Mihawk's swordsmanship to be this strong, even if he himself is not as strong as Joyboy. And at the end of the day the sword chose him, and he tamed it. Yoru itself can be a symbol of the culmination of all the sword techniques Imu is using.

7.I don't believe Oda would disrespect Zoro's goal like that, because even if Mihawk were to be a stepping stone for Zoro to help save the world or whatever, it's still his literal dream at the end of the day, his kingly ambition.

I can logically demonstrate my conclusions but at the end of the day some people will just need to see it to believe it, part of their frustration is Mihawk being held back for so long, but that's literally what opposes their Mihawk slander. They don't seem to realise that or don't care because of said frustration.

None of what I said means Mihawk is literally stronger than Imu, but it shows why Mihawk's swordsmanship can be stronger than any sword technique Imu can throw out.
Great post.
The only thing lacking is a bit more conviction, more faith in Mihawk being stronger than both Imu and Joyboy.
He is the one who sits atop fo the throne of supreme might, he is the one who forged the strongest weapon in history.
Not Imu nor anyone else will fare better than Roger and gang did, they are imaginary obstacles.
Also, Imu is at his strongest with his swords, we saw that everything else doesnt work, he wins only when he uses swords.
Completely normal phenomenon that he is weaker than Mihawk.
 
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