THE FINAL: SPAIN OR ARGENTINA WHO IS WINNING!?


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How is watching 2 am matches in living room bothering her?

Y'all let people have too much control in your life
It depends, man. Having a spouse is about compromise. I sure as fuck wouldn't want someone screaming in celebration when a goal goes in during the middle of the night.

My wife wouldn't stop me watching, but she's also a housewife and doesn't have to get up for work. Might not be the same for @zzShinichi.
 
@gz89 @John Akainu I saw a podcast in which they raised an interesting point


There's a difference between being a hunter and being hunted. Argentina were hunters in the last WC and now they are being hunted.

Being the WC champion means everyone would bring their "A game" against you and to knock you out.

Knocking reigning WC champion out has always been a big deal. More so for weaker teams as it amounts to a historical moment for them. They will bring their best to knock WC champions out and we saw that in Argentina knock out matches so far. Verde, Egypt and Swiss played their best.

Argentina realised what's being hunted feels like in their knockout matches. Argentina's "A game" isn't enough anymore. They have to step up because England would come hunting them as well.

"A game" worked for Argentina last WC but time they need "A+ game" against England and in final to win.

It's exactly because of this difference - being a hunter in one WC and if wins then being hunted in the next WC, no one won WC back to back in last 65 years.

What do you guys think about this perspective?
That is indeed true against weaker opponents but i don't think it will matter against England and i hope Spain or France in the final.

Tbh things are not looking good.
I noticed the players looked tired and seemed to lack the energy to run in KO games so i checked their stats and they are (by far) the worst team in terms of sprints and km covered per match.

Our only hope is for England to feel some anxiety, pressure and make mistakes, if they are 100% focused it will be difficult for us to qualify.
 
@gz89 @John Akainu I saw a podcast in which they raised an interesting point


There's a difference between being a hunter and being hunted. Argentina were hunters in the last WC and now they are being hunted.

Being the WC champion means everyone would bring their "A game" against you and to knock you out.

Knocking reigning WC champion out has always been a big deal. More so for weaker teams as it amounts to a historical moment for them. They will bring their best to knock WC champions out and we saw that in Argentina knock out matches so far. Verde, Egypt and Swiss played their best.

Argentina realised what's being hunted feels like in their knockout matches. Argentina's "A game" isn't enough anymore. They have to step up because England would come hunting them as well.

"A game" worked for Argentina last WC but time they need "A+ game" against England and in final to win.

It's exactly because of this difference - being a hunter in one WC and if wins then being hunted in the next WC, no one won WC back to back in last 65 years.

What do you guys think about this perspective?
I feel like Argentina hasn't been the what they should have like in the previous WC. They were hungry, the conviction, you can see it in their eyes, the focus. But not in this WC, they seems more relax, more harmonize, the team is like a family now, getting a little too comfortable. They think this will be the same as the last one, so they do it with the same fashion. Like what you said, people are taking them seriously now more than ever.
 
I feel like Argentina hasn't been the what they should have like in the previous WC. They were hungry, the conviction, you can see it in their eyes, the focus. But not in this WC, they seems more relax, more harmonize, the team is like a family now, getting a little too comfortable. They think this will be the same as the last one, so they do it with the same fashion. Like what you said, people are taking them seriously now more than ever.
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It depends, man. Having a spouse is about compromise. I sure as fuck wouldn't want someone screaming in celebration when a goal goes in during the middle of the night.

My wife wouldn't stop me watching, but she's also a housewife and doesn't have to get up for work. Might not be the same for @zzShinichi.
Are people really screaming goal in the middle of the night?

I think that's unusual, especially when your nations not even playing.


Most people just turn on the screen with low volume.



If you can't even watch your thing in your own space and without bothering her,

What is the issue?
 
Are people really screaming goal in the middle of the night?

I think that's unusual, especially when your nations not even playing.

Most people just turn on the screen with low volume.

If you can't even watch your thing in your own space and without bothering her,

What is the issue?
Not everyone have impulse control lol.

I'm one of the people who might cheer though, as my nation is in the semis. Granted, that's at 9pm my time.

There are multiple reasons why a spouse may not want you staying up. Perhaps she's looking out for his health (maybe he has work but he'll sacrifice a good night's rest for the game), or maybe she just struggles sleeping without him there (as my wife sometimes does).

Is what it is.
 
England is too fooken' lame to even attract English-born players Haaland and Olise in their team :kobeha:


The Anglos would have walked the world cup if they had these two together with Kane...


Haaland with French citizenship would be diabolical tho :myman:
 
England is too fooken' lame to even attract English-born players Haaland and Olise in their team :kobeha:


The Anglos would have walked the world cup if they had these two together with Kane...


Haaland with French citizenship would be diabolical tho :myman:
Dont think Haaland would ever join English team his father was playing in Leeds and Norway there was no way England would ever get him.

Olise definitely is a big loss for England .
 

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That is indeed true against weaker opponents but i don't think it will matter against England and i hope Spain or France in the final.

Tbh things are not looking good.
I noticed the players looked tired and seemed to lack the energy to run in KO games so i checked their stats and they are (by far) the worst team in terms of sprints and km covered per match.

Our only hope is for England to feel some anxiety, pressure and make mistakes, if they are 100% focused it will be difficult for us to qualify.
Yeah! That's why Argentina needs A+ game to beat any of the semi finalists.

John Terry in an interview explained it which I think fits Scaloni's perspective - This Argentina core has won 4 major finals in last 6/7 years. They are battle hardened and knows better than anyone how to handle matches in advance stages.

I think Scaloni sticking to the same core makes sense. But 2 or 3 fresh legs mixed with the core can actually help them.

Scaloni should really consider having Paz, Simeone and Braco in the starting line up and then do subs when needed.

Also, lots of tactical decisions are being made by Messi.

Scaloni in his interview said that it was Messi who decided to move towards the right in their match against Egypt.

Actually, Egypt had crowded the central areas and limited Messi's influence and Argentina was losing as we all know.

Messi chose to drift wide to the right to receive the ball with more space and he provided an assist from there in the 78 min and then a goal few mins later.

Scaloni said - "There's no need for me to tell him to change positions. Messi knows what the game needs. He moved to the right, and we simply adapted to what he was doing."

In short, team playing XI and tactics are heavily guided by adaptability to adjust around him.
 
Yeah! That's why Argentina needs A+ game to beat any of the semi finalists.

John Terry in an interview explained it which I think fits Scaloni's perspective - This Argentina core has won 4 major finals in last 6/7 years. They are battle hardened and knows better than anyone how to handle matches in advance stages.

I think Scaloni sticking to the same core makes sense. But 2 or 3 fresh legs mixed with the core can actually help them.

Scaloni should really consider having Paz, Simeone and Braco in the starting line up and then do subs when needed.

Also, lots of tactical decisions are being made by Messi.

Scaloni in his interview said that it was Messi who decided to move towards the right in their match against Egypt.

Actually, Egypt had crowded the central areas and limited Messi's influence and Argentina was losing as we all know.

Messi chose to drift wide to the right to receive the ball with more space and he provided an assist from there in the 78 min and then a goal few mins later.

Scaloni said - "There's no need for me to tell him to change positions. Messi knows what the game needs. He moved to the right, and we simply adapted to what he was doing."

In short, team playing XI and tactics are heavily guided by adaptability to adjust around him.
Given that he didn't give Simeone or Paz even a few minutes of playing time against Switzerland and preferred to field Jose Manuel Lopez instead, i believe we will never see them play unless someone gets injured.

Imo he should have used them a long time ago but like many other coaches Scaloni has his own "obsessions" and no one can tell him anything since he's so successful.

My only hope is that now that the team's other stars (Enzo, Mc Allister, Julian, Lautaro) have also scored, they might feel more at ease and perform better in this match.

I don't expect 39y old Messi to be tha x factor against 25y old players most of whom play in the Premier League at high intensity.
 
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