Spoiler One Piece Chapter Spoiler 1189 Spoilers Discussion

[Cruxroux]

I wanna see more of a df power showcase from Ultra Wommers, c'mon Lolda, don't reduce the fight to just cling-clangs in the next chapters, pls.

 

[Quovelta]

This gut really thinks Base Luffy >>>>

Especially thinking Doffy and Katakuri speed above Luffy
Law literally lose to Doffy in terms of Speed at Dressrosa, it was shown.
By your own logic Current Law lose to Doffy, which is dumb argument. And don't even bring up Katakuri here, since even with FS he still punching his own brother Oven instead his opp. Imagine having FS and Speed, instead of defeating Ichini and Niji, he punching his own brother lol

It's Oda who made Base Luffy>>>KOH Zoro in speed when base Luffy blitzed Imu while KOH Zoro failed so badly.
I have no issue with Doflamingo>Current Law

First you need to show me proof Katakuri is using Future Sight in that cover page go on

Are you implying Snakeman=Katakuri=Oven in speed? Again I have no issue with this since this means even Oven is much faster than base Luffy who is much faster than KOH Zoro. Either Oven/Katakuri blitzes KOH Zoro and beats him.

 

[GrandmasterChef Zonji]

Even in same grade there is difference and there are ungraded swords too that are very powerful.
Enma, Shusui and Wado have the same grade yet they are not equal.
Seriously this obsession to downplay or discredit is not good.

We literally had confirmation of Shodai being a Supreme, it was created by Oden ancestor while Venus might be 800years old.
This just means Sword and blades from the old kings can be categorized on Saijo or Oowazamono.

 

[kurwa]

If Zoro is a pathetic weakling what even is Luffy then.
The one who defeat a yonko, mastered all haki only efficiency renders him, and the MC. Lets see how he perform
- Got played by Old Gyaban in his base form who people said >>>>>>>, and needed PEAK form to even start attacking him.
- Can't defeat Regular Sommers in his PEAK form.
- Luffy after talking all that, got dogwalked by Imu.
Like are we being serious rn?
Luffy is literally the one having bad performance rn

idk what you showing me your quivering pussy, but goofy was always weak and disappointment
he also destroyed lots of copes (like him holding back because no lightning) and believing beating kaido makes you strong, but still, it's still far from how hard zoro agenda has been destroyed this arc

 

[Who]

Mid top tier seems enough for me, since Luffy gon be High Top Tier after Elbaf.
Its quite Funny that people think Zoro and Sanji would never be in that category and always stuck as YC

End of elbaph luffy mid god tier

End of elbaph chiken wings mid top tier

 

[Cruxroux]

If Gram can block Loki attack.
Maybe Shamrock wasn't lying after all about beating the fuck out of Loki.

 

[Moewu]

This is giving me Film Stampede vibes. Where Usopp stepped up to this sheer unbeatable foe Douglas Bullet in order to buy time for heavily beaten up Luffy. Of course it will be a whole Crew effort this time and i am all here for it.

 

[MonochromeYoru]

wtf does Jinbe even do, this man is so useless.

Move boxes

 

[RayanOO]

I wanna see more of a df power showcase from Ultra Wommers, c'mon Lolda, don't reduce the fight to just cling-clangs in the next chapters, pls.

i hope so

I don’t want a sword fight at all

Sommers DF is dope

 

[Rootbeer]

Well before I've also debating with Kekaro that, Omen might be the anti thesis of Haki.
And like i said, if Omen turns out to be the pinnacles of it
And If guys Like Zoro Sanji had it.
It will be over for Hakiman, cuz Garp and Roger who so far strongest Old Gen Mortal character didn't had it.

I don't know.. Roger didn't face up Imu so.. Or did he?.. lol

There's will a counterpart to Omen that is not Haki.. But Omen could just be a Black Lightning(CoA) amplifier.. And the other unknown power a Yellow Lightning(CoC) amplifier.. So Haki is connected to Omen.. That's my answer for now..

There's also the Voice of all things.. Which is not the counterpart of Omen in my opinion, completely separated..

 

[park_min young]

I wasn’t expecting that two lightning bolts from Loki has way higher AP than the “esteemed” KoH finisher

@Elder Lee Hung @Loki D. Terror @Sentinel @Kurozumi Wiwi

 

[JEK892]

Didn't she betrayed Imu by srnding Poneglyph (blue one especially) around the world?
I might be wrong and forgot

She did something that apparently resulted in the Poneglyphs being scattered. That said, when we were told about it was referred to as a "failure" or a "blunder". So it wasn't an explicit betrayal, it was something she could play off as a mistake or screw up on her part, even though Imu was clearly PRETTY sure she betrayed the alliance (and just couldn prove it until he found out Cobra had a letter from her). Lol.

 

[MUUGEN]

Damn I didn't think this arc can hype up Mihawk ANY FURTHER.
First, Imu himself arrives and shows to be a swordsman. Mihawk w.
Then imu drops 19 legendary blades, proving once again swordsmanship is the superior way.
But wait. None of Imu's super legendary swords is a black blade, proving ONCE AGAIN Mihawk superiority.

Bros. We literally cannot stop winning. When Oda declared Mihawk the strongest back in chapter 50, I was too foolish to realize the scope of this statement.

Mihawk bros. I am sorry for underestimating him.

even afterall this nonsense being said he still CAN NOT win against Shanks.

 

[Rootbeer]

We literally had confirmation of Shodai being a Supreme, it was created by Oden ancestor while Venus might be 800years old.
This just means Sword and blades from the old kings can be categorized on Saijo or Oowazamono.

Yeah but Boofuu is God Grade Blade..

 

[Jackteo]

i hope so

I don’t want a sword fight at all

Sommers DF is dope

Sommers DF is trash. On the other hand Killingham DF is his only redeeming quality. I hope they both use all their powers extensively. Them being just Imu's extensions would be boring

 

[Albino 👑]

If anyone is actually using Kaido's top 5 in a non meme sense in July 2026, they may actually be seriously mentally handicapped

The only person missing from Kaido’s top 5 was Loki. Tho that’s just because Kaido didn’t know of him same way not even imu did
Gaban is weaker than Rayleigh

 

[GrandmasterChef Zonji]

It's Oda who made Base Luffy>>>KOH Zoro in speed when base Luffy blitzed Imu while KOH Zoro failed so badly.
I have no issue with Doflamingo>Current Law

First you need to show me proof Katakuri is using Future Sight in that cover page go on

Are you implying Snakeman=Katakuri=Oven in speed? Again I have no issue with this since this means even Oven is much faster than base Luffy who is much faster than KOH Zoro. Either Oven/Katakuri blitzes KOH Zoro and beats him.

LMAO i can't, Sorry but this guy might be an alt bot or something

Mans forgot the panels exist, Luffy literally coming fron behind Loki big body, and delivers Sneak attack. Imu surprised because he is fighting and talking to Loki at that time.

While Zoro ask Imu if he is one of the Knight God before using KOH on him and imu looking at him directly, of course Zoro gonna get Blocked.

What u mean proof of Katakuri using FS, Its Literally his INVINCIBLE THEME lol, he is "Invincible" Because he use FS 24/7 except when he is eating. We even got explanation of it from Bege, and Luffy confirms it lol
And sure Snakeman=Katakuri= Oven in terms of speed, cuz thats ur own logic btw.
Katakuri had FS and speed, despite that Oven can punch him

 

[RayanOO]

so Gaban>Luffy....

Luffy got absolutely negged, yes he is defeated, yes he was saved from the brink of death once again.

inb4 a droplet of water saves him again.

Luffy is not even in top 5 contention after this horrendous showing at full power....

Nan

blocling an attack meant to kill a defenseless Luffy isn’t something huge

Imu attack wasn’t as strong as if Luffy was ready to defend himself and he needed to overpower him

It was just a casual swoop for Imu

We will see next week Old Gaban level, not now

 

[L57]

super sommers with the sword >>midd and law btw

 

[GrandmasterChef Zonji]

End of elbaph luffy mid god tier

End of elbaph chiken wings mid top tier

Nah to early for a god tier, Joyboy is a Demi God tier, same as Imu.
Loki behind Demi God tier.
Luffy still is Yonko tier to PK tier