Dummy, I talk about Shanks-Loki-Mihawk, not only about Mihawk. If I was coping I would say Mihawk is a background irrelevant character like you said about Gaban. 
If that aint some supreme copium at work, I dont know what is.
Controversial Shanks-Loki-Mihawk contradicted arguments
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Boy... Here you are making threads how swordsmen are stronger than strongest swordsman, for nearly two decades.
If that aint some supreme copium at work, I dont know what is.
If that aint some supreme copium at work, I dont know what is.
Lik-chan, did you even argue about the thread's argument? 
It looks like you have no argument as usual and just trolling? That's copium on ZKK and Gaban being background character level arguments that came from you, even other ZKKfans don't like you.
It looks like you have no argument as usual and just trolling? That's copium on ZKK and Gaban being background character level arguments that came from you, even other ZKKfans don't like you.
I don't see you point if he turns off your observation he still going to put haki on his sword then attack you. Fujitora a swordsman and he crashes you under gravity. Zoro is a Swordsman and he gets 6 arms and uses observation which isn't apart of swordsmanship, but in the end they all going to put haki on they sword and attack you especially Lhanks
Whats your point? Cabaji was using a bicycle not swordmanship only. Kaku was using a DF and not swordmanship only. He still a swordsman. I know you think cause you think swordsman are weak
Since Katakuri more versatile with his DF power than Zoro according to you. You still think he on this level.
Since Katakuri more versatile with his DF power than Zoro according to you. You still think he on this level.
The most recent explanation is about Alber vs Zolo where both agreed;
swordsman: sticking to the traditional forms and techniques
killing machine: can use traditional forms and techniques and more
As I said, if you are going accept everything, then Imu is a swordsman as well and you know Mihawk isn't > Imu, so you have to accept the reality that Mihawk's title is limited with "swordsmanship" concept only and people can be swordsman and more, "WSM" title matters if someone don't want to be limited with any fighting style, not "WGS".
Maybe, your fighting style is what you primary tho. Brook for example is a DF user and Swordsman. He combines both in his fighting style. Yet he one of the weakest swordman in the series.
Is Zoro alteady stronger than Mihawk and why is Zoro trying to refine his CoC. This won't be used in WGS fight right cause its not about strength right???
Is Zoro alteady stronger than Mihawk and why is Zoro trying to refine his CoC. This won't be used in WGS fight right cause its not about strength right???
Let's say 2 marksmen fighting with marksman techniques and they can't beat each other, one marksman weakens the other by using a martial art or swordsmanship technique, and because one weakened the other, the one who used non-marksman technique eventually wins the marksman contest because other marksman was weakened, is that mean the guy who won is a better marksman than other or just stronger oveall?
Isn't it same for Sanji who is a martial artist? Why Oda didn't just make him improve as a cyborg but also will give him Haki upgrade?
The point is if Sanji beats Mihawk he won't be WGS, if Zolo beats Mihawk he can be WGS. But lets say Zolo's sword attacks aren't as powerful as Mihawk's yet, lets say Zolo learned CoO killer technique to weaken Mihawk's CoO, then if he beat him via speed and precognition difference in 1 vs 1, not via more powerful sword attack difference, is that mean Zolo is now a better swordsman than Mihawk, even though Mihawk had stronger sword attacks than Zolo and even though Mihawk can cut larger and more durable objects than Zolo can or that he can be more precise with a sword?
Isn't it same for Sanji who is a martial artist? Why Oda didn't just make him improve as a cyborg but also will give him Haki upgrade?
The point is if Sanji beats Mihawk he won't be WGS, if Zolo beats Mihawk he can be WGS. But lets say Zolo's sword attacks aren't as powerful as Mihawk's yet, lets say Zolo learned CoO killer technique to weaken Mihawk's CoO, then if he beat him via speed and precognition difference in 1 vs 1, not via more powerful sword attack difference, is that mean Zolo is now a better swordsman than Mihawk, even though Mihawk had stronger sword attacks than Zolo and even though Mihawk can cut larger and more durable objects than Zolo can or that he can be more precise with a sword?
Who ever is the stronger marksman would win.
What Sanji got to do with my question about Zoro and Mihawk? You trying to dodge the question or something?
Wtf what does any of what you just said got to do with my questions? Let me ask it again stop dodging
Is Zoro already stronger than Mihawk and why is Zoro trying to refine his CoC. This won't be used in WGS fight right cause its not about strength right???
What Sanji got to do with my question about Zoro and Mihawk? You trying to dodge the question or something?
Wtf what does any of what you just said got to do with my questions? Let me ask it again stop dodging
Is Zoro already stronger than Mihawk and why is Zoro trying to refine his CoC. This won't be used in WGS fight right cause its not about strength right???
I already answered, Sanji also getting Haki upgrade, so it's not about swordsmanship or martial art, it's about to improve their general power levels.
What Gaban told Sanji? He said "if you want to make Luffy PK, you need CoC." , same applies to Zolo, he needs it to make Luffy PK as well.
Now you answer this, would Zolo be WGS if he used CoO killer but not stronger sword attacks;
"lets say Zolo's sword attacks aren't as powerful as Mihawk's yet, lets say Zolo learned CoO killer technique to weaken Mihawk's CoO, then if he beat him via speed and precognition difference in 1 vs 1, not via more powerful sword attack difference, is that mean Zolo is now a better swordsman than Mihawk, even though Mihawk had stronger sword attacks than Zolo and even though Mihawk can cut larger and more durable objects than Zolo can or that he can be more precise with a sword? "
What Gaban told Sanji? He said "if you want to make Luffy PK, you need CoC." , same applies to Zolo, he needs it to make Luffy PK as well.
Now you answer this, would Zolo be WGS if he used CoO killer but not stronger sword attacks;
"lets say Zolo's sword attacks aren't as powerful as Mihawk's yet, lets say Zolo learned CoO killer technique to weaken Mihawk's CoO, then if he beat him via speed and precognition difference in 1 vs 1, not via more powerful sword attack difference, is that mean Zolo is now a better swordsman than Mihawk, even though Mihawk had stronger sword attacks than Zolo and even though Mihawk can cut larger and more durable objects than Zolo can or that he can be more precise with a sword? "
1. Yes it is about improving your overall strength. What i am asking is why does he even needs too. Its not about strength. Why does Zoro keep getting stronger and wants to keep getting stronger according to Zoro. Why isn't Zoro trying to twist his sword in more efficient way instead. Please answer the question.
2. Zoro already Unlocked CoC before Scopper ever met Zoro.
3.Idk what Scopper got to do with it. You literally didn't answer my
4. Bro I will answer your question but I need you to stop dodging and answer my questions first.
Like me restate them very clearly
1. IS ZORO ALRRADY STRONGER THAN MIHAWK RIGHT NOW HAS OF 1189
2. WILL ZORO USE ACOC IN THE FIGHT VS MIHAWK
3. IF YES THEN HOW IS IT SKILL BASED.
gladly answer your question after you do mine. No running this time
2. Zoro already Unlocked CoC before Scopper ever met Zoro.
3.Idk what Scopper got to do with it. You literally didn't answer my
4. Bro I will answer your question but I need you to stop dodging and answer my questions first.
Like me restate them very clearly
1. IS ZORO ALRRADY STRONGER THAN MIHAWK RIGHT NOW HAS OF 1189
2. WILL ZORO USE ACOC IN THE FIGHT VS MIHAWK
3. IF YES THEN HOW IS IT SKILL BASED.
gladly answer your question after you do mine. No running this time
1. Yes it is about improving your overall strength. What i am asking is why does he even needs too. Its not about strength. Why does Zoro keep getting stronger and wants to keep getting stronger according to Zoro. Why isn't Zoro trying to twist his sword in more efficient way instead. Please answer the question.
2. Zoro already Unlocked CoC before Scopper ever met Zoro.
3.Idk what Scopper got to do with it. You literally didn't answer my
4. Bro I will answer your question but I need you to stop dodging and answer my questions first.
2. Zoro already Unlocked CoC before Scopper ever met Zoro.
3.Idk what Scopper got to do with it. You literally didn't answer my
4. Bro I will answer your question but I need you to stop dodging and answer my questions first.
Mihawk perhaps is slightly stronger right now, yes they will use ACoC. It's mainly skill based because every high level fighter also uses ACoC Haki not only swordsmen? How you separate Sanji from Zolo, if both using ACoC?
The difference is their sword skill.
Brannew literally said this, the thing separates Mihawk from Shanks is "sword skill". Why Brannew didn't say Mihawk has stronger Haki instead said "sword skill" ?
So answer it then, if Zolo has CoO killer and beats Mihawk with that, despite Mihawk has stronger sword attacks and better precision with a sword, would Zolo still be WGS?
To answer your earlier question. Yes if Zoro beats Mihawk and he used observation killing move then Zoro the WSS.
1. Zoro was always trying to be strong even beginning of the series before he even met Luffy. So what you said is false. We seen him has a little kid doing strength training so that false.
2. Oh So slightly stronger and then Zoro will get a PU in this fight which means he will ne equal or stronger than Mihawk after Elbalf. Thanks for this answer. So i guess the Mihawk fight will be easy for Zoro according to Erkan12 because even after this arc they probably will talk about getting stronger to take on government. So he will be way passed Mihawk when he fights him. Interesting.
3. You been saying for years that skill based but how is ACoC skill based? When Kaido explained that its for strongest people. Strength based thing.
I don't know man it doesn't seem like your Logic is adding up too good. You say its skill based but they using CoO, CoC? What if Zoro gets Future site? Will the fight get canceled. Why do you keep asking me about Sanji? You already admitted that getting ACoC is strength based BTW lol.
4. Yea its not sword skill only because you just admitted they using their Haki
1. Zoro was always trying to be strong even beginning of the series before he even met Luffy. So what you said is false. We seen him has a little kid doing strength training so that false.
2. Oh So slightly stronger and then Zoro will get a PU in this fight which means he will ne equal or stronger than Mihawk after Elbalf. Thanks for this answer. So i guess the Mihawk fight will be easy for Zoro according to Erkan12 because even after this arc they probably will talk about getting stronger to take on government. So he will be way passed Mihawk when he fights him. Interesting.
3. You been saying for years that skill based but how is ACoC skill based? When Kaido explained that its for strongest people. Strength based thing.
I don't know man it doesn't seem like your Logic is adding up too good. You say its skill based but they using CoO, CoC? What if Zoro gets Future site? Will the fight get canceled. Why do you keep asking me about Sanji? You already admitted that getting ACoC is strength based BTW lol.
4. Yea its not sword skill only because you just admitted they using their Haki
So you saying Zolo with superior CoO killer technique in 1 vs 1 becomes WGS, and can be WGS despite Mihawk can cut larger and more durable targets than Zolo can cut?
What I said;
"How you separate Sanji from Zolo, if both using ACoC?
The difference is their sword skill.
Brannew literally said this, the thing separates Mihawk from Shanks is "sword skill". Why Brannew didn't say Mihawk has stronger Haki instead said "sword skill" ? "
Every high level fighter has; ACoC, CoA, CoO speed, strength, durability, endurance.
What separates "swordsman" / WGS? "sword skill" that Brannew mentioned, not Haki;
1. Zoro was always trying to be strong even beginning of the series before he even met Luffy. So what you said is false. We seen him has a little kid doing strength training so that false.
2. Oh So slightly stronger and then Zoro will get a PU in this fight which means he will ne equal or stronger than Mihawk after Elbalf. Thanks for this answer. So i guess the Mihawk fight will be easy for Zoro according to Erkan12 because even after this arc they probably will talk about getting stronger to take on government. So he will be way passed Mihawk when he fights him. Interesting.
3. You been saying for years that skill based but how is ACoC skill based? When Kaido explained that its for strongest people. Strength based thing.
I don't know man it doesn't seem like your Logic is adding up too good. You say its skill based but they using CoO, CoC? What if Zoro gets Future site? Will the fight get canceled. Why do you keep asking me about Sanji? You already admitted that getting ACoC is strength based BTW lol.
4. Yea its not sword skill only because you just admitted they using their Haki
2. Oh So slightly stronger and then Zoro will get a PU in this fight which means he will ne equal or stronger than Mihawk after Elbalf. Thanks for this answer. So i guess the Mihawk fight will be easy for Zoro according to Erkan12 because even after this arc they probably will talk about getting stronger to take on government. So he will be way passed Mihawk when he fights him. Interesting.
3. You been saying for years that skill based but how is ACoC skill based? When Kaido explained that its for strongest people. Strength based thing.
I don't know man it doesn't seem like your Logic is adding up too good. You say its skill based but they using CoO, CoC? What if Zoro gets Future site? Will the fight get canceled. Why do you keep asking me about Sanji? You already admitted that getting ACoC is strength based BTW lol.
4. Yea its not sword skill only because you just admitted they using their Haki
"How you separate Sanji from Zolo, if both using ACoC?
The difference is their sword skill.
Brannew literally said this, the thing separates Mihawk from Shanks is "sword skill". Why Brannew didn't say Mihawk has stronger Haki instead said "sword skill" ? "
Every high level fighter has; ACoC, CoA, CoO speed, strength, durability, endurance.
What separates "swordsman" / WGS? "sword skill" that Brannew mentioned, not Haki;
So you saying Zolo with superior CoO killer technique in 1 vs 1 becomes WGS, and can be WGS despite Mihawk can cut larger and more durable targets than Zolo can cut?
What I said;
"How you separate Sanji from Zolo, if both using ACoC?
The difference is their sword skill.
Brannew literally said this, the thing separates Mihawk from Shanks is "sword skill". Why Brannew didn't say Mihawk has stronger Haki instead said "sword skill" ? "
Every high level fighter has; ACoC, CoA, CoO speed, strength, durability, endurance.
What separates "swordsman" / WGS? "sword skill" that Brannew mentioned, not Haki;
What I said;
"How you separate Sanji from Zolo, if both using ACoC?
The difference is their sword skill.
Brannew literally said this, the thing separates Mihawk from Shanks is "sword skill". Why Brannew didn't say Mihawk has stronger Haki instead said "sword skill" ? "
Every high level fighter has; ACoC, CoA, CoO speed, strength, durability, endurance.
What separates "swordsman" / WGS? "sword skill" that Brannew mentioned, not Haki;
2. You separate Zoro from Sanji by saying who stronger or weaker or if they are equal. What kind of question are you asking. I am so confused.
3. That isn't the Viz BTW and Brannew never said thats what separates them only. He just said Mihawk has Superior swordmanship and that he WSS.
4. What you mean every high level fighter has those things. You told me its skill based though. So its not about twisting your sword a certain way.
5. Here my question and its a very important question. Are you saying if Zoro didn't have ACoC, CoO, CoA, Strength, speed, durability, endurance etc... they is no way he can become WSS. This question is very very important no dodging