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A lot of detrans people, especially those who have undergone surgery, believe that they are too far gone. There is the idea of having violated something 'sacred' about the whole body. In addition, many pursue the 'ideal body' for their gender identity. So imagine you underwent invasive surgeries that you thought would complete you, surgeries that took months of recovery to get a non-functional replica of something... only to realise in the end that it was all for nought and you can never regain what you lost? Many just want to give up at that point. I even had my own struggles of whether I could be considered a man again after my trespasses.
Naturally, I do not feel that way now.
Many haven't experienced the problem. There is also the concept of not knowing you've been tricked or deceived until the very moment you realise it. This feeds back to the previous point.
The most terrible aspect of this is that you can genuinely live a decade 'happy' but it's just a grand form of self-delusion that is masking other, more important problems. I know this from those I have worked with - Gender Dysphoria was diagnosed as the problem, when it was actual a symptom of a larger problem.
You don't need to believe me. But I know this is the truth.
I'd get nicked by the police for that, lmao.
Naturally, I do not feel that way now.
Many haven't experienced the problem. There is also the concept of not knowing you've been tricked or deceived until the very moment you realise it. This feeds back to the previous point.
The most terrible aspect of this is that you can genuinely live a decade 'happy' but it's just a grand form of self-delusion that is masking other, more important problems. I know this from those I have worked with - Gender Dysphoria was diagnosed as the problem, when it was actual a symptom of a larger problem.
You don't need to believe me. But I know this is the truth.
I'd get nicked by the police for that, lmao.
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For a break from that stuff, here's a cool thought about religion, from a christian baptist point of view:
A preacher I listen to mentions, heaven is a place where you do whatever you want, whenever you want
The logic goes, in heaven you get a perfect body, free from sin, so whatever you'll want to do will be right and you'll be able to do it without having to check if it's right or wrong
A preacher I listen to mentions, heaven is a place where you do whatever you want, whenever you want
The logic goes, in heaven you get a perfect body, free from sin, so whatever you'll want to do will be right and you'll be able to do it without having to check if it's right or wrong
I guess what's kind of nice to think about is that at the end of the day
If all 3 of us are saved, me, @Okamakama and @NAMELESS , we'll meet one day in a Jesus-made utopia ( at least for us ) on earth, the millenium
If all 3 of us are saved, me, @Okamakama and @NAMELESS , we'll meet one day in a Jesus-made utopia ( at least for us ) on earth, the millenium
To a Christian, our lives on Earth are but a transitional state towards the eternal. In a sense, there is little point in making a utopia on Earth by that perspective.
Ah, you want your 72 virgins I see. Right, off to the Christmas market with you, good sir.
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@Blax Blah having read the condensed form of my story:
What are your thoughts on how I approach my past?
Ah, you want your 72 virgins I see. Right, off to the Christmas market with you, good sir.
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@Blax Blah having read the condensed form of my story:
What are your thoughts on how I approach my past?
I hear you
Of gender disphoria ? Every people who transitionned had that problem.
Or perhaps it is the belief that you think that you have been tricked that could send you toward darkness thoughts? Have you never consider the problem that way?
All the people I'm talking about are not new trans people, they are veterant, sometimes with 20 to 30 years of transition. I'm not talking about people here who made a random call because of a bad doctor, I'm talking about people who have been rejected by their families, people who have suffered abuse, suicidal attempts, violences before transitionning. People who know in their very core that they have made the right choice.
What makes you think that your opinion and experience is superior to theirs?
That we agree with. Gender disphoria is ALWAYS a symptom, NEVER the "real" problem. This is what I've been screeming since the beginning of this thread.
And that reason has a name:
Cisnormativity. (a product of patriarchy and the system creating transphobia)
I'm still waiting for people here to tell me how they plan to create an Utopia without exploitations...
To a Christian, our lives on Earth are but a transitional state towards the eternal. In a sense, there is little point in making a utopia on Earth by that perspective.
Ah, you want your 72 virgins I see. Right, off to the Christmas market with you, good sir.
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@Blax Blah having read the condensed form of my story:
What are your thoughts on how I approach my past?
Ah, you want your 72 virgins I see. Right, off to the Christmas market with you, good sir.
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@Blax Blah having read the condensed form of my story:
What are your thoughts on how I approach my past?
Not gonna lie your story was too brutal to read when I first saw it, but you're an awesome guy
For me, I think there's a very real sense of
Life sucked so much in the past that I really don't want any brutality of that sort in my future, even just reading about that stuff happening. My nervous system isn't yet fully regulated but once it is, I may just bury my head in the sand to this stuff and enjoy my life
Life sucked so much in the past that I really don't want any brutality of that sort in my future, even just reading about that stuff happening. My nervous system isn't yet fully regulated but once it is, I may just bury my head in the sand to this stuff and enjoy my life
I would call it the state of the trans-identified mind and how it impacts you psychologically. I don't think it is something that is able to be fully comprehended outside of somebody who has lived that identity.
You have flown close to knowing but fell short. It is not that. It is a myriad of mental health, social, developmental, or sexual identity problems. You can possess multiple or just one. GD is a symptom of a larger problem, which, if addressed, will often result in somebody not transitioning from my experience.
I don't think it is possible on this earth.
I have hundreds of personal sources, all collectively sharing the a similar starting point, and all following the same processes. Many of these people were also rejected by family.
Something you don't understand is that through rejection one can become entrenched in an unhealthy belief system. In fact, the rejection and isolation they experience from community and family often leads them into affirming relationships with other trans-identified individuals. This becomes their 'place of belonging' and to leave trans behind would also deprive them of that.
Whilst I am not saying all trans environments are coercive and manipulative - and indeed, some of them that are do so unknowingly - they trap the trans-identified individual into an echo-chamber and social relationships that are contingent on their transness.
I thought I made the right decision at my core - that is how deep the illusion/delusion can become. I was not trans for a short amount of time, nor did I have a terrible surgery outcome. I am lucky - my surgery was a resounding success - no complications - a rarity, in fact. However, I still ended up having my world fracture. I came to realise that just because you think you're happy doesn't mean you are. It made me start doubting the that happiness is what we should strive for, even.
But this is somewhere that you will never listen to me on. So let's cease.
Cheers.
You have flown close to knowing but fell short. It is not that. It is a myriad of mental health, social, developmental, or sexual identity problems. You can possess multiple or just one. GD is a symptom of a larger problem, which, if addressed, will often result in somebody not transitioning from my experience.
I don't think it is possible on this earth.
I have hundreds of personal sources, all collectively sharing the a similar starting point, and all following the same processes. Many of these people were also rejected by family.
Something you don't understand is that through rejection one can become entrenched in an unhealthy belief system. In fact, the rejection and isolation they experience from community and family often leads them into affirming relationships with other trans-identified individuals. This becomes their 'place of belonging' and to leave trans behind would also deprive them of that.
Whilst I am not saying all trans environments are coercive and manipulative - and indeed, some of them that are do so unknowingly - they trap the trans-identified individual into an echo-chamber and social relationships that are contingent on their transness.
I thought I made the right decision at my core - that is how deep the illusion/delusion can become. I was not trans for a short amount of time, nor did I have a terrible surgery outcome. I am lucky - my surgery was a resounding success - no complications - a rarity, in fact. However, I still ended up having my world fracture. I came to realise that just because you think you're happy doesn't mean you are. It made me start doubting the that happiness is what we should strive for, even.
But this is somewhere that you will never listen to me on. So let's cease.
Cheers.
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Indeed. This is not something that I can understand.
You are basically giving me what I'm calling out through different names. Cisnormativity impacts all of that. That is precisely its problem. The issue here is that I won't be able to explain what it is fully without a materialist outlook and you don't believe in materialism so... it's kinda useless.
Well I'm here to show you how it can be.
Same, if I wanted, I could direct you toward people who are literally working with trans people to save them. People with not hundreds of ressources, but networks of thousands of trans people and associations which are all trying to save and help trans people who are destroyed by life.
You don't say...
Which is what I'm explaining. Good for them
Exactly.
I'm sorry but I won't follow you on that especially when I believe that it is precisely what you are experiencing. An echo-chamber.
I will, but only to a certain point : the moment where you will apply your own experience to every other trans person.
You are basically giving me what I'm calling out through different names. Cisnormativity impacts all of that. That is precisely its problem. The issue here is that I won't be able to explain what it is fully without a materialist outlook and you don't believe in materialism so... it's kinda useless.
Well I'm here to show you how it can be.
Same, if I wanted, I could direct you toward people who are literally working with trans people to save them. People with not hundreds of ressources, but networks of thousands of trans people and associations which are all trying to save and help trans people who are destroyed by life.
You don't say...
Which is what I'm explaining. Good for them
Exactly.
I'm sorry but I won't follow you on that especially when I believe that it is precisely what you are experiencing. An echo-chamber.
I will, but only to a certain point : the moment where you will apply your own experience to every other trans person.
I work with trans-identified individuals too. You literally don't read. That is far from an echo-chamber.
Whatever.
You're basically saying my own sources are inferior to your own with your statement. Only what you experience is correct - or what is connected to you.
You really cannot see the forest for the trees because you're so blinded by what you think is 'morally correct'.
I'm done discussing this with you because it's going to become circular. I've made my points.
Whatever.
You're basically saying my own sources are inferior to your own with your statement. Only what you experience is correct - or what is connected to you.
You really cannot see the forest for the trees because you're so blinded by what you think is 'morally correct'.
I'm done discussing this with you because it's going to become circular. I've made my points.