Future Events What Sanji vs King means to Zoro future opponent and how it all connects to Luffy vs Katakuri

[CbShadow]

Don’t take what Scabbards did seriously though. All it did was sober up Kaido lol.
Kaku was using Geppo, King is flying. Flight is much more useful for airborne mobility than Geppo is, Sanji and Vinsmokes showed it quite clearly in WCI. King is a small target (still quite large compared to normal humans but way way smaller than Dragon Kaido). Nothing stops him from just flying around. Zoro can have the power to cut down King, the point is, does he have enough precision and CoO to do so? After all, King is not Pica, he is not a stationary (or relatively stationary) target

The scabbards ability to cut Kaido had nothing to do with him being drunk. That was determined by the strength of their ryuo. Kaido even commented on their ryou. Zoro should have a much more powerful ryuo then them.

Kaku was still a very mobile fighter. It just didn't give him a single advantage over Zoro giraffe strength. The same thing I see with King. His fight won't be enough to defeat Zoro. Zoro's range attacks can easily make that hole much bigger or more holes for them to get through the reach the top. King would have to move in front of the attacks to block them or use his own range attack, if he has them, to stop it.

Like a said, we don't know if King has range attacks. If he does not it means he has to attack Zoro at close range. Which will increase the chances of Zoro hitting him with any of his attacks.


Let's like a Sanji vs King. They both could fly but that doesn't mean Sanji is as good as fighting while flying a King. He just got his RS. There still King cutting attacks he would have to deal with. If it's very suit can block King's cutting attacks or sword he's screwed.

It lets him fight an endurance battle of them both taking and giving wounds with an advantage.

Kaku didn't use geppou properly he was too busy experimenting with his fruit. His four sword style is disadvantageous if you want to use the same legs to fly at maximum capacity. They were also fighting indoors with ceilings within range.

See above.

 

[Akuma_Law]

At this point all I care about is it wont be off paneled

 

[WesMidnight]

Yes kyros wouldnt do shit to pica.

And similarly Pica wouldn't do shit to Kyros, his fruit is only good for stalling if it is used against competent characters.

Kaku and jabra were not equal

That feel when your headcanon amplifies a 20 doriki difference into believing Kaku is closer to Lucci than Jyabura.

 

[LadyVados]

I mean King did beat BM in a fight...

 

[HA001]

And similarly Pica wouldn't do shit to Kyros, his fruit is only good for stalling if it is used against competent characters.


That feel when your headcanon amplifies a 20 doriki difference into believing Kaku is closer to Lucci than Jyabura.

The golem kills kyros with ease.

Doriki was just pyhsical strength and kaku was stronger

 

[WesMidnight]

The scabbards ability to cut Kaido had nothing to do with him being drunk. That was determined by the strength of their ryuo. Kaido even commented on their ryou. Zoro should have a much more powerful ryuo then them.

Kaku was still a very mobile fighter. It just didn't give him a single advantage over Zoro giraffe strength. The same thing I see with King. His fight won't be enough to defeat Zoro. Zoro's range attacks can easily make that hole much bigger or more holes for them to get through the reach the top. King would have to move in front of the attacks to block them or use his own range attack, if he has them, to stop it.

Like a said, we don't know if King has range attacks. If he does not it means he has to attack Zoro at close range. Which will increase the chances of Zoro hitting him with any of his attacks.

Zoro does not have a stronger Ryuo than 9 competent swordsman.
He will not have the benefit of attacking a surprised Drunk PTSD Kaido.

King does not need to engage Zoro. He could go around killing weaker members of the crew if Zoro doesn't have the mobility to engage him and block him.

 

[Finalbeta]

I mean King did beat BM in a fight...

He technically did lol

You don't necessarily always need to be stronger than your opponent in order to defeat it

 

[CbShadow]

Some of you need to understand the role flight plays in battles.

Defensively, it can be used move/keep out of an opponent's attack range. If they can't use long-range attacks.

Offensively, it could be used to build up momentum to produce stronger close range attacks.

Or if the user has long range attacks they can combine it together and use it to stay out of an opponent's range while performing long-range attacks.

 

[HA001]

Zoro does not have a stronger Ryuo than 9 competent swordsman.
He will not have the benefit of attacking a surprised Drunk PTSD Kaido.

King does not need to engage Zoro. He could go around killing weaker members of the crew if Zoro doesn't have the mobility to engage him and block him.

9 ? Only 3 broke his scales kin denjiro and kiku
most were just holding his arms and legs down
and yes zoros ryou is superior to theirs
so this queen tank excuse wont fly as queen aint as durable as kaido.

 

[WesMidnight]

The golem kills kyros with ease.

Doriki was just pyhsical strength and kaku was stronger

His golem did nothing to competent characters, Kyros was just behind Monster trio +Law level in competency in the arc with higher plot relevance than Zoro.

Not going to argue Doriki because you are ignoring numerical proof laid out by Oda and twisting it because it goes against your wishes.

 

[chacharealsmooth]

Zoro does not have a stronger Ryuo than 9 competent swordsman.
He will not have the benefit of attacking a surprised Drunk PTSD Kaido.

King does not need to engage Zoro. He could go around killing weaker members of the crew if Zoro doesn't have the mobility to engage him and block him.

Exactly! King is definitely more of a agility/movement speed type of fighter, who deals devastating blows by gaining momentum. Sanji is better suited to fight him.
People think Zoro will fight King, Jinbe will fight Queen and Sanji will fight what, P1? A better scenerio is Zoro becomes the main firepower against BM, Sanji fights King and Jinbe fights Queen. (Best scenerio is 3vs3 for me though)

 

[HA001]

His golem did nothing to competent characters, Kyros was just behind Monster trio +Law level in competency in the arc with higher plot relevance than Zoro.

Not going to argue Doriki because you are ignoring numerical proof laid out by Oda and twisting it because it goes against your wishes.

Lmfao again why are you so shit at these debates.
Kyros didnt even show haki so he cant even beat fbh pica let alone the golem.
You cant argue against me
jabra when seeing kakus higher doriki instantly points to his fruit power showing doriki isnt overall power

 

[LadyVados]

As long as my boi Zoro puts the finishing blow on a Yonko I don’t care who it is... Meme or Laido !

 

[Fleet Leader Fenaker]

Zoro can jump small ranges, unless you are claiming Hawkin's doll was as high or Pica or that King has an altitude limit comparable you can drop that Hawkins point right now or I'll assume you are arguing in bad faith. Even if Zoro magically had Oden's constitution and could jump as high he wouldn't be able to maneuver in mid air like he would need to to fight King. Oden's prepubescent feats shit on Zoro's.

Yes I know Raizo didn't push King to extreme diff.

The Kaku situation is not analogous, 1. they were indoors with low enough ceilings to be in Zoros range, 2. Kaku did not use geppou properly 3. most importantly EVERY FUCKING ENEMY HAD "FLIGHT" in the arc, it wasn't a DEFINING trait of his fruit and combat the way King's is.

Monet didn't try to fly, they were fighting indoors and it wasn't shown as a part of her combat, her fruit was snow not flight based.

zoro can jump Small ranges did u calculate or he just jumps to the height he has to be above to attack his opponent what's this excuse so Kaido to fight Oden he has to be higher higher in the sky and oden can jump like a clown but still he did it and zoro can Zoro attacked Hawkins's Doll mid air Oden's fighting style is paralleling with Zoro's santoryu from the first chapter what shit are u talking about he even tamed his sword and enma is used to Oden's Coa and the user's soul always remains with the blade and can make the new user stronger so Zoro's CoA is Oden's level even Kinemon injured Kaido and can't tame enma while Zoro got lost because of oda's protection to not embrass Kaido's Durability he wasn't only fighting Raiso he also stabbed Ashura doji but sanji use Gepou to fly before gaining the RS and they claim that ability to be the key word to fight King now it isn't ppl can use gepou to fly to a higher height and still Zoro fought an expert of it prets and could stop him monet doesn't have wings she didn't fly

So akainu needs to fly to fight Marco or it is the inverse they fought on land

 

[WesMidnight]

Some of you need to understand the role flight plays in battles.

Defensively, it can be used move/keep out of an opponent's attack range. If they can't use long-range attacks.

Offensively, it could be used to build up momentum to produce stronger close range attacks.

Or if the user has long range attacks they can combine it together and use it to stay out of an opponent's range while performing long-range attacks.

Zoro cannot defend the members of his crew from being killed by a motivated King because he doesn't have the mobility to engage him, it would fall under your "defensive" scenario but still progress Kings goals while going against Zoro's goals.

9 ? Only 3 broke his scales kin denjiro and kiku
most were just holding his arms and legs down
and yes zoros ryou is superior to theirs
so this queen tank excuse wont fly as queen aint as durable as kaido.

Zoro needs to prove he is superior to Denjiro on his own (I think he is but he hasn't proved it), let alone superior to Kiku and Kin all channelling all of their Ryuo in a kamikaze suicide attack. And yes all of the others disarming and grabbing him played a role in overpowering Kaido and breaking his defenses, who is to say they aren't using barrier ryuo?

Kaido took zero damage from that after his tanky Zoan regen kicked in.

 

[ShishioIsBack]

Sanji might fight King but thats only if Zoro and Luffy fight Kaido.

There will never be an arc where Sanjis final opponent is not weaker than Zoro unless Zoro is brutally injured

 

[HA001]

Zoro cannot defend the members of his crew from being killed by a motivated King because he doesn't have the mobility to engage him, it would fall under your "defensive" scenario but still progress Kings goals while going against Zoro's goals.



Zoro needs to prove he is superior to Denjiro on his own (I think he is but he hasn't proved it), let alone superior to Kiku and Kin all channelling all of their Ryuo in a kamikaze suicide attack. And yes all of the others disarming and grabbing him played a role in overpowering Kaido and breaking his defenses, who is to say they aren't using barrier ryuo?

Kaido took zero damage from that after his tanky Zoan regen kicked in.

Zoros haki shits on kinemons who was scared of enma let alone kikus

king kod sanji with his beak wtf is sanji gonna do when king starts using his sword.

 

[Fleet Leader Fenaker]

Zoros haki shits on kinemons who was scared of enma let alone kikus

king kod sanji with his beak wtf is sanji gonna do when king starts using his sword.

What do u think if King hardened that beak ?

 

[WesMidnight]

Lmfao again why are you so shit at these debates.
Kyros didnt even show haki so he cant even beat fbh pica let alone the golem.
You cant argue against me
jabra when seeing kakus higher doriki instantly points to his fruit power showing doriki isnt overall power

Kyros beat Diamante who was an executive in the same league as Pica, given the same bounty, claiming that a fruitless Pica is significantly stronger than a fruit using Diamante is pure cringe.

I never claimed he could beat the golem, just that the golem couldn't beat Kyros, try to read a bit better please, re-explaining things ad naseum gets tiresome.

Jyabura said that as COPE because of how important the CP9 view that figure.

 

[CbShadow]

Zoro does not have a stronger Ryuo than 9 competent swordsman.
He will not have the benefit of attacking a surprised Drunk PTSD Kaido.

King does not need to engage Zoro. He could go around killing weaker members of the crew if Zoro doesn't have the mobility to engage him and block him.

What? Are you saying that Zoro is not a competent swordsman?

Zoro was able to tame enma a feat only Oden could perform so it's very believable that Zoro will have a stronger Ryuo than swordsman who couldn't perform that feat.

The scabbards cut Kaido because of their ryuo. I'm talking about their ability to be able to physically hurt and cut Kaido. Kaido didn't think they would be able to hurt him that's why he wasn't concerned at first. Him being drunk has nothing to do with the hardness/durability of his body.


Zoro has range attacks and has fought and beat an opponent who can fly. Besides, if King goes and deal with the weaker fighter that means he's not stopping Zoro from reaching Kaido. The whole point to him being there is a stop anyone from reaching Kaido.

What is interesting is some want to continue to claim that Zoro can't fight King because Zoro can't fly. Yet, they don't want to comment on whether Sanji will be able to deal with King's sword and cutting power. We all know Sanji blocks with his legs and feet. That would be a very foolish move if he's dealing for a strong swordsman that possesses ryuo.