Chapter Discussion ONE PIECE CHAPTER 1190 : Those who are rejoiced at Death

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Fujishiro

Im the poisoner.
Is that why Kaido had to stay still for Luffy's final hit to land, and he reassured him he wouldn't move out of the way?

Lol, it's okay to admit that the dude who needed 10 other people to help him beat Kaido, and can't fight in his strongest form for more than 10 minutes without turning into Abe Simpson, can't defeat healthy Kaido in a 1v1. Kaido wanted to lose, and gave Luffy the chance to overpower him, when he could have easily dodged Bajrang Gun. Kaido wanted to create the new Joy Boy.

That's the funniest thing people don't realize: KAIDO GOT WHAT HE WANTED. He couldn't be Joy Boy, so, he wanted Joy Boy to beat him, to ensure the new Joy Boy was strong enough to fight the true monsters in the verse. Hence the toe-to-toe comment: Kaido knows Luffy won't beat him in a clean 1v1, but, he's HYPED that Luffy can hang with him.

I think Shanks is stronger than Kaido, but, that's pretty much it in terms of Pirates.

No way Teach has already surpassed Kaido when he was struggling with Law.

I can definitely see Loki being put over Kaido, though, Loki is nuts.

I think Loki = Kaido, but Loki + Ragnir >>>> Kaido.

Out of curiosity, what percentage HP do you think Kaido was at, when Luffy went into Gear 5? I think it was between 25-15%. I also think Linlin and Kaido would have gotten back up if they didn't land in liquid.

Issue Gear 5 had against Kaido was this: Luffy was much faster than Kaido at that point, but he couldn't generate enough force to put him down. Kaido realized this, and gave Luffy the chance to knock him out in a 1v1 with their strongest attacks, rather than dodge.

Luffy's Bajrang Gun is more powerful than Kaido's strongest stuff (obviously), but, it's still a weaker move in general, because of its slow load up time.

I still have Flame Dragon Torch as a more dangerous technique, because Kaido can fly around using it, and just touching him will melt you. If Luffy misses Bajrang gun, that's it, he missed.

Only attacks more dangerous we've seen than Flame Dragon Torch are Newgate's ridiculous Gura feats, and Imu's wild-ass-nonsense. I don't think we've seen Loki's strongest stuff yet, either, because we haven't seen his Hyrbid.

Bajrang Gun is incredibly powerful, but it's too slow, any top tier not choosing to take the attack, like Kaido did, will dodge it.

How can I describe this.

Bajrang Gun is a move that takes one turn to load, and has a high chance to miss. Flame Dragon Torch does less damage overall, but more AOE damage, and you don't need to stand still to use it, and if you miss, you can just course correct.

Healthy Kaido destroys Healthy Luffy in a 1v1 to the death. But, Kaido didn't want to kill Luffy, Kaido wanted Joy Boy. So, here we are.
TLDR?
 
Its dogshit
+ you are virgin and zolo got blitzed by an attack stansen could react to but not him
Fodder
😂
It was not a blitz you brainless cockroach. It was a surprise attack, Zoro was literally shown reacting to the fireball and shocked by it.
Of course a mental midget cockroach eating Sanji's batty boy worshipping loser can not understand basic nuances.

Wanna see actual speed blitzes?



 

CoC: Color of Clowns

"Fate Maker Pirates! Revive Everyone's Dreams!"
Ehhhhh

Big reach lol. He got reminded of Wano when talking about Kaido and that's it.

I'd at least understand this assumption if he was desperate for any reason to visit Wano or overawed by Luffy beating Kaido but he really.....wasn't.
To me, this is clearly stating the reason Gyaban didn't go to Wano, is because of Kaido.

I do think it's more Oden/Joy Boy prophecy based than Gyaban being scared, though.

If the opening of the borders didn't need to happen later, I think the former Roger Pirates would have freed Wano years ago.

Oden probably asked them to not interfere and trust Joy Boy's vision.

But, yeah, Gyaban is smart, he knows he can't just visit Wano by himself when Kaido's ruling the territory. He'd be asking for a fight, and he'd lose.
 
And suddenly Oda wants to asspull his ass up to Luffy and Zoro level through Scopper Gaban, it makes no sense
its the way of life, shish, Zoro was simply not able to sustain the gap and now the official sources say Sanji is equal to Zoro, they are all as canon as databooks

sanji is a prodigy who equals Zoro without training + being a world class chef + showering daily
 
their strongest eos attacks will be called:

”King of Hell: Right Wing of the King”
”Random Jambe: Left Wing of the King”

they are equals, its over shishio, lets be chicken wings fan together and cheer for Luffy (praise him)
They are chicken wings which is another reason why Sanji is a fodder to Zoro.
Sanji is a cooking wing and he's a better cook than Luffy? Is he not a better cook?
Zoro is a fighting wing so he has to be better (stronger) fighter than Luffy.
 

CoC: Color of Clowns

"Fate Maker Pirates! Revive Everyone's Dreams!"
Amazing, a good and needed slap in the face for Luffy, I would love for it to be explored in more details further, but this is great. It confirms the fact that Luffy still has room for growth and for such a character, it's not an easy thing to do.

Gaban is stronger that I thought. I think it's fair to say that Imu is also nerfed massively. He is bleeding, he might be starting to feel exhausted a bit. It's a good thing for us, perhaps that attack will make him retreat for the moment.

The idea of Luffy standing up and fighting one last big time seems to be on the table, and frankly, as a Yonko, this is the level of resiliance that we should expect. (Remember just how much White beard tanked before kicking the bucket). Luffy is a tank of stamina and resilience, at this point this should not be too much of a surprised for him to be able to fight just enough to make Imu retreat for good. Even if I would love for him to stay on the floor and Usopp saving him

:pepepopcorn:

This will not be enough tho. Luffy is still cocky and he didn't listen to Gaban, which means that he has not been humbled enough to understand his shortcoming just yet (at least if we trust the two translations that I have seen - which are horrible btw I'm waiting for TCB to correct that) this could mean that something darker is about to happen, something bigger than just Gaban losing an arm... and frankly, I'm a little bit afraid now.. or......

... ironically Gaban losing an arm saving Luffy is actually a good thing (for luffy, not gaban haha), this COULD place Luffy in the same position has his childhood. and we know that he didn't tank that too well. Of course, Shanks was important to him so it won't be as dramatic, but it still could trigger a self-reflection.

Anyway amazing chapter
Yeah, as someone who wants legit character growth from Luffy, this is what's going to cause it.

Marineford needed to humble Luffy to make him realize being a pirate is not just an adventure, they are at war with evil pieces of shit.

I was low-key laughing when Luffy was bitching about Gyaban roasting him, I'm like, "MAN, YOU'VE GOT TO TAKE THIS SHIT MORE SERIOUSLY, SOMETIMES". Big problem I have in my own life, though, so, I get it.
 

CoC: Color of Clowns

"Fate Maker Pirates! Revive Everyone's Dreams!"
its the way of life, shish, Zoro was simply not able to sustain the gap and now the official sources say Sanji is equal to Zoro, they are all as canon as databooks

sanji is a prodigy who equals Zoro without training + being a world class chef + showering daily
NGL, "+showering daily" is so funny, I'm cracking up
 
Lol they never were
Oda literally and categorically stated Sanji is weaker than Zoro like 4 times
All four are from books authored by Oda



If Oda had Sanji = Zoro why did he
-Have Arlong get scared of life with Zoro and trash Sanji like trash he is
-Have Zoro and Luffy fight the most equal fight in the series rather than Zoro and Sanji?
-Have Zoro and Luffy be supernovas not Zoro and Sanji
-Trash Pica no diff while Sanji losing to weaker fighter Vergo and Zoro being stronger than even Doffy in Dressrosa
-Have Zoro Scar Kaido and outshine Luffy in roof top
-Unlock AdvCoC in Same arc as Luffy while Sanji is still chasing AdvCoC

Whole Arc Sanji has been portrayed as a fodder, a cockroach, a pile of trash compared to Zoro
And suddenly Oda wants to asspull his ass up to Luffy and Zoro level through Scopper Gaban, it makes no sense.
That's the funny part of being a cook's fan: you know that, not matter what, in the end he will be close to Zoro anyways
:sanmoji:
 
And having 100 steroids
Genetic Mutations
Hand Outs
Raid Suits

Still low diff for Zoro and needs CoC to catch up to Wano Zoro.
There is nothing prodigal about Sanji at all because all his power ups are from his childhood mutations
these aren’t power ups, they are nerfs, his body is a mess from so many difficulties sources of power, yet through his iron will and natural genius, he can not only add them all up but synthesize to make it more than just the sum of it, Oda‘s theme for Sanji is “when life gives you lemons, equal your fellow wing member in power“
 
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