Spoiler One Piece Chapter Spoiler 1191 Spoilers Discussion

Luffy is likely still going to be 19 years old when he surpasses many legendary pirates that lived to be older and stronger than 43-year-old Rocks.

It was never Rocks' purpose to set the bar for the strongest. That is and always Roger.

Rocks' purpose in the story revolves around legwork for Blackbeard, the final villain of the series. He doesn't even make my Top 10 strongest PIRATES, and 3/10 are tied.

Mihawk that high :suresure:
 
Its hilarious seeing Yonkotards, Admiraltards, Swordtards, who constantly underrated Gaban, made statements saying Gaban would be irrelevant.

When GOLD, SILVER, COPPER was clear to a semi-blind man, along with his importance in power. Now the same individuals trying to hype up Gaban to use against other characters for their low IQ agendas.

Elite WorstGen Behavior.
not everyone did this.

I didn't. search, I said old gaban was cliffing kaido in 2025.
 
Luffy is likely still going to be 19 years old when he surpasses many legendary pirates that lived to be older and stronger than 43-year-old Rocks.

It was never Rocks' purpose to set the bar for the strongest. That is and always Roger.

Rocks' purpose in the story revolves around legwork for Blackbeard, the final villain of the series. He doesn't even make my Top 10 strongest PIRATES, and 3/10 are tied.

Yeah, in retrospect Oda probably wanted to play more so the angle of his death being a tragedy. He was betrayed by his friends and was under the belief that his family died.

Doesn't change the fact that Oda looks like a retard making Luffy 19 years old, when all the strong characters in history were like 40+, especially if he wants us to think the GV trio were "Young", while being decades older than Luffy
 
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Xebec in terms of a combatant doesn't actually look all that impressive compared to Shanks, in fact he looks like a worse version of Shanks. If you look at his attacks he's just swinging his sword hard and amplifying it with CoC, and Shanks is doing something similar but Shanks has greater portrayal in terms of Haki and Swordsmanship. He's better on both fronts.

One in being compared to Joyboy's haki in any capacity, and the other with Oda glazing Shanks's innate talent and skill to where he can just pick up Roger's swordsmanship where Rayleigh can't for example.

Xebec has neither of these. The feats that would look the most impressive, Oda decided to offscreen, like destroying the Gates of Justice and killing a faceless, featless Admiral.

Let me remind you that gion and tokikake were admiral candidates, they could have very possibly become admirals and get devil fruit's if Fuji and GB weren't there in the draft. I bet you don't even remember what Tokikake looks like. How do we know the Admiral wasn't at this baseline of strength instead of a monster like Aokiji or Akainu which we have the story outright stating?. We don't, we just have to be amazed because they met the baseline level of strength.

Impressive, but nothing you couldn't imagine other characters doing. And the exact same with destroying the Gate of Justice. It's not hard to believe Loki could do it as well for example.

His swordsmanship relies on his brutish strength, but it has no grace whatsoever. Compare that to Mihawk who has both Strength and Technique, not just in sword play but haki utilisation within swordsmanship, it's easy to see why Mihawk would defeat Xebec in a 1v1.

And this would still be the case even if Xebec had more raw strength than Mihawk, as if that's everything to do with a 1v1. And how do you know the total output of Mihawk + Yoru isn't greater? you don't.

I've already seen just downplaying of Yoru already here in this post "it just increased a rank" yada yada, the fact of the matter is we don't know exactly what that sword in Mihawk's hands is truly capable of, we only saw a glimpse.

Even a fodder Rooftop Zoro with Enma cut the horn off the skull which in size scales greater than the iceberg, and that Zoro is nowhere near Mihawk.

No real point in rinse and repeating general arguments about why the story demands Mihawk be at a certain level of strength. The combination of the strongest swordsman and the strongest sword is a narrative necessity that enables it to be the case, in terms of portrayal.

You don't introduce swordsmen who don't match that kind of portrayal and have the sword guy be born too late to challenge them, you essentially have to say with a straight face "poor zoro was not born early enough to challenge the real monsters in swordsmanship like Xebec, even though he was born in the greatest pirate era where all the power houses are meant to be in, and greatest world events are meant to take place, and will become the strongest swordsman in history like Oda said, by fighting opponents weaker than Xebec."

Xebec is strong, Mihawk is stronger it's pretty straightforward. "
i aint reading all that

xebec >>> mohawk by portrayal and feats
 
What happen with loki , luffy and gaban is not the same as Zoro and Sanji where imu just hit them aside.
It not the same as kaido round one either cause Kaido was not trying kill luffy after round one .
This not glazing one attack = out of commission Loki could not move to avoid the attack jinbei block.
He would died cause he unable to move from 2 stab wounds .
Luffy was pin to tree with 2 swords one that drain life from him unable to move and about to get his body chop in half with axe.
Also this is OP with character Oda has Imu show off on none of them not going to died .
Dude you changed discussion from Zoro and Sanji to Loki Gaban and Luffy.
 
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Xebec in terms of a combatant doesn't actually look all that impressive compared to Shanks, in fact he looks like a worse version of Shanks. If you look at his attacks he's just swinging his sword hard and amplifying it with CoC, and Shanks is doing something similar but Shanks has greater portrayal in terms of Haki and Swordsmanship. He's better on both fronts.

One in being compared to Joyboy's haki in any capacity, and the other with Oda glazing Shanks's innate talent and skill to where he can just pick up Roger's swordsmanship where Rayleigh can't for example.

Xebec has neither of these. The feats that would look the most impressive, Oda decided to offscreen, like destroying the Gates of Justice and killing a faceless, featless Admiral.

Let me remind you that gion and tokikake were admiral candidates, they could have very possibly become admirals and get devil fruit's if Fuji and GB weren't there in the draft. I bet you don't even remember what Tokikake looks like. How do we know the Admiral wasn't at this baseline of strength instead of a monster like Aokiji or Akainu which we have the story outright stating?. We don't, we just have to be amazed because they met the baseline level of strength.

Impressive, but nothing you couldn't imagine other characters doing. And the exact same with destroying the Gate of Justice. It's not hard to believe Loki could do it as well for example.

His swordsmanship relies on his brutish strength, but it has no grace whatsoever. Compare that to Mihawk who has both Strength and Technique, not just in sword play but haki utilisation within swordsmanship, it's easy to see why Mihawk would defeat Xebec in a 1v1.

And this would still be the case even if Xebec had more raw strength than Mihawk, as if that's everything to do with a 1v1. And how do you know the total output of Mihawk + Yoru isn't greater? you don't.

I've already seen just downplaying of Yoru already here in this post "it just increased a rank" yada yada, the fact of the matter is we don't know exactly what that sword in Mihawk's hands is truly capable of, we only saw a glimpse.

Even a fodder Rooftop Zoro with Enma cut the horn off the skull which in size scales greater than the iceberg, and that Zoro is nowhere near Mihawk.

No real point in rinse and repeating general arguments about why the story demands Mihawk be at a certain level of strength. The combination of the strongest swordsman and the strongest sword is a narrative necessity that enables it to be the case, in terms of portrayal.

You don't introduce swordsmen who don't match that kind of portrayal and have the sword guy be born too late to challenge them, you essentially have to say with a straight face "poor zoro was not born early enough to challenge the real monsters in swordsmanship like Xebec, even though he was born in the greatest pirate era where all the power houses are meant to be in, and greatest world events are meant to take place, and will become the strongest swordsman in history like Oda said, by fighting opponents weaker than Xebec."

Xebec is strong, Mihawk is stronger it's pretty straightforward. "
tldr you're an idiot hawk fan
 
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I'm honestly kind of shocked. I thought Oda would do some corny back and forth thing where Killingham overpowers Sanji and gets some really good feats the chapter after Zoro got overpowered by Sommers. Oda really does not care about giving Killingham screentime or any impressive feats lmfao, 11 chapters after getting the Omen buff, he has no feats to prove he can beat Doflamingo
 
Yeah, in retrospect Oda probably wanted to play more so the angle of his death being a tragedy. He was betrayed by his friends and was under the belief that his family died.

Doesn't change the fact that Oda looks like a retard making Luffy 19 years old, when all the strong characters in history were like 40+, especially if he wants us to think the GV trio were "Young", while being decades older than Luffy
There are many aspects of One Piece where just a little bit of critical thinking shake the foundations of the worldbuilding.

You just gotta roll with it or it'll ruin the experience altogether.
 
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