Salem of Lies Throne Of Lies: The WG War

[Ratchet]

Anyway. Unlikely I read much more tbh, I don't know where the wagons are either but @EkkoLoJinx please jail Ali if you're going to lynch me. If I recall correctly you need to decide in the day.

 

[Naomi]

some people in thread have been trying to deny cult

hmm

 

[Ratchet]

Idk

It happened day 1 right? He didn't claim it during day 1. He was active during first 36 hours. So someone targeted him near the end of day phase.

I think it has to do with his reads then

Feels like a stretch. Reads are one thing but the important part is pushing them through, and Orca himself will admit he rarely gets sway on his reads. I suppose maybe I'm putting too much thought into it though, many times scum just "do things" for the sake of doing them. The reasoning I'm looking for may simply just not exist.

 

[Saber]

Are we sure it's impossible? Her claim is that she framed Ekko, right?

yes, and the watcher caught her in ekko's house last night
the only way for her to have framed you without the watcher lying would be this:
she frames you and marks you as her target, but for some reason also makes it so ekko, who is not her target, flips as a different role if he dies
which makes zero sense from an indie pov

 

[Naomi]

You are The Apostle! The Apostle is a Social class that belongs to the Cult faction.​

[Day Active - Sinister Echoes] During the day, target a player to give them a post restriction. If they fail to say it three times, they will be occupied the following night. They may not reveal that they were post-restricted. You can only use this ability before the 12-hour mark of the day. [2-shots]

[Day Active - Cult Pressure] Disable target player's voting for the day, then force them to vote for a different target player. Cannot force the King to vote, but can force votes against the King. Cult Pressure can only be used when trials can be held. [2-shots]

[Night Active - Mind Warp] Target player will receive framed results from using investigative abilities tonight. [3-shots]

[Night Active - Court Spy] Summon shadows to report the contents of all whispers tomorrow. [2-shots]

Wincon: Defeat the Blue Dragon and any Neutrals that seek to do you harm.​

@Ratchet polar could read whispers, and you where apparently framed by using investigate ability, maybe it was polar if he has beef with you.

@Worst

 

[Ratchet]

[Night Active - Mind Warp] Target player will receive framed results from using investigative abilities tonight. [3-shots]

maybe there is cult, even worst thought of it.

I know for a fact that the Unseen exists as per my role, so if there is a cult it would have to be in addition to the unseen. Which... I guess is possible? What a mess of a game though.

 

[Saber]

[Night Active - Mind Warp] Target player will receive framed results from using investigative abilities tonight. [3-shots]

maybe there is cult, even worst thought of it.

there is no cult, it wouldnt be throne of lies if there was a cult here together with the unseen, it would be a different game
theres a guide for a reason

 

[Ratchet]

yes, and the watcher caught her in ekko's house last night
the only way for her to have framed you without the watcher lying would be this:
she frames you and marks you as her target, but for some reason also makes it so ekko, who is not her target, flips as a different role if he dies
which makes zero sense from an indie pov

Does she have an ability that has nothing to do with framing? If you're reading this Naomi let me stress I don't think that this is the case, but is it possible she marks Ekko assuming he gets killed, and frames me for the lols? Not likely/probable, but possible?

 

[Naomi]

there is no cult, it wouldnt be throne of lies if there was a cult here together with the unseen, it would be a different game
theres a guide for a reason

Isn't the title of this game called throne of lies????

 

[Ratchet]

there is no cult, it wouldnt be throne of lies if there was a cult here together with the unseen, it would be a different game
theres a guide for a reason

Could be Fuji taking liberties with it but I will have to defer on the plausibility of it. Also it requires assumptions anyway which I'm not inclined to trust, I can only say that I know there is an Unseen from the existence of my role.

 

[Ratchet]

@Ratchet polar could read whispers, and you where apparently framed by using investigate ability, maybe it was polar if he has beef with you.

@Worst

I was either framed, or Ali is lying. That's why I'm asking Ekko to jail Ali, at minimum.

 

[Naomi]

Does she have an ability that has nothing to do with framing? If you're reading this Naomi let me stress I don't think that this is the case, but is it possible she marks Ekko assuming he gets killed, and frames me for the lols? Not likely/probable, but possible?

Do i detect a hint a of jellyness from you that i wanted to target ekko over you? lol Actually the thought of framing you never crossed my mind.

shanks would been next if he continues coasting.

 

[Saber]

Does she have an ability that has nothing to do with framing? If you're reading this Naomi let me stress I don't think that this is the case, but is it possible she marks Ekko assuming he gets killed, and frames me for the lols? Not likely/probable, but possible?

marking and framing are part of the same ability, they can't happen separately
and the second ability is town of salem forger

 

[Naomi]

@EkkoLoJinx cult leader what are your thoughts on the ali and ratchet results?

 

[Ratchet]

Do i detect a hint a of jellyness from you that i wanted to target ekko over you? lol Actually the thought of framing you never crossed my mind.

shanks would been next if he continues coasting.

 

[Saber]

Isn't the title of this game called throne of lies????

yes but it doesnt mean the host is lying lmao
this is a classic setup with very established roles and guidelines so a second scum faction in this game would be bastard

 

[Ratchet]

marking and framing are part of the same ability, they can't happen separately
and the second ability is town of salem forger

What if the "disguise" was used on Ekko to troll? Actually I feel like I'm at the point where further questions are futile, I don't believe in this avenue.

 

[Saber]

Could be Fuji taking liberties with it but I will have to defer on the plausibility of it. Also it requires assumptions anyway which I'm not inclined to trust, I can only say that I know there is an Unseen from the existence of my role.

we have a full-blown guide thread for tol here, there's no room for taking liberties without even telling us
also, it would pretty much change the entire game completely, it'd be a massive fuckery
just the fact that naomi is trying to push something like this makes it obvious her target rn is ekko

 

[Naomi]

if you want i can frame you sheriff tonight @Ratchet


This way you also get a visit from me!

 

[Ratchet]

How long left in the day? May or may not be around much tomorrow, I've given everything you need mechanically speaking. So all that's really left is whatever I can offer on the "mafia" side, which doesn't really seem worth much in this sort of game.