Character Discussion Loki’s attacks...

Gold, Silver, Copper... Where's Oden?
That's right, exactly. Gold, silver, and bronze. Oden doesn't count because he wasn't a member of the Roger Pirates. He was only temporarily lent to Roger by WB.

Oda isn't going to completely restructure the hierarchy of a crew that's been together for decades just because of a temporarily borrowed member, but your low IQ can't even come up with that answer.
 
Cutting Gear 5’s cheek with a light clone is more damage than buffed Kaido did to him in half a dozen AdCoC attacks lol.
What do you mean, bro? Are you blind or something? LMAO:Rofl::Rofl::Rofl:
Look, with a single attack, Kaido made Luffy vomit blood and start bleeding all over the place. Kaido's wind slashes are 50x stronger than Kizaru's sword attacks.

This one attack from Kaido did more damage to Luffy than the entire Kizaru vs. Luffy fight.



 
As far as I remember, Oden was considered to be one of the Roger pirates. Thus, he's weaker than Roger, Rayleigh and Gaban. What stat does Oden have over Gaban?
Oden was lent to Roger by Whitebeard. That entire scene where Roger kneels before Whitebeard and asks him to lend him Oden exists. Roger didn't recruit Oden and make him a member of his crew. Oden came on loan from Whitebeard, so don't forget the main point.

That's why, in the most recent SBS where Oda talks about the Roger Pirates and even draws them, Oden isn't there.


What stat does Oden have over Gaban?
He has enough for Kaido to have put only Gold (Roger) and Oden in his Top 5, but not Silver and Bronze.
 
Oden was lent to Roger by Whitebeard. That entire scene where Roger kneels before Whitebeard and asks him to lend him Oden exists. Roger didn't recruit Oden and make him a member of his crew. Oden came on loan from Whitebeard, so don't forget the main point.

That's why, in the most recent SBS where Oda talks about the Roger Pirates and even draws them, Oden isn't there.
Oden was getting little brothered by both of them, just accept it.
Roger swatted him aside to have such a clash with Whitebeard that, after witnessing it, Oden reconsidered the meaning of the word "strong".

Whitebeard literally called him little brother and traded him like a playing card to Roger.

Now if we're talking baby Oden vs Baby Roger or Whitebeard then fair play. He's got the feats.
 
By feats Oden is not even close to Gaban.
Gaban hurt and broke throught Imu defense(same Imu casual blocked G5 Luffy attack), his Ap is clearly over Oden one, I didn´t see any feat Oden pulled out that he is above Gaban. Dude doesn´t even pose future sight unlike Gaban...

Gaban by portrayal and feats>Oden.
Roger left hand won´t be weaker than a Samurai from Wano.
Same as Yamato wont end up stronger as Sanji.
 
Oden was getting little brothered by both of them, just accept it.
Roger swatted him aside to have such a clash with Whitebeard that, after witnessing it, Oden reconsidered the meaning of the word "strong".

Whitebeard literally called him little brother and traded him like a playing card to Roger.

Now if we're talking baby Oden vs Baby Roger or Whitebeard then fair play. He's got the feats.
That's all well and good, bro, but the version of Oden who witnessed Roger and Whitebeard clash wasn't even remotely as strong as his Wano version. And even that "weaker" version was already eating Prime Roger's attacks like they were nothing.

It's explicitly stated that he returned several times stronger, invincible, and triumphant, to the point that Kaido himself stated that Oden was on the same level as Roger and Whitebeard, both in terms of strength and character.

And as for Oden being passed around like a playing card, that doesn't change anything. Oden was originally recruited by Whitebeard, earned a place in his crew, and became a division commander there. Roger literally had to beg Whitebeard to lend him Oden, and the arrangement only lasted until Roger completed his final voyage.

How exactly is Roger supposed to make a temporary member, who wasn't even HIS, his right-hand man or anything like that in his crew? Does that really make any sense?

Let me see if I understand the logic:

Oden gets lent out by Whitebeard, joins Roger's crew, and is supposedly supposed to become the "Silver," Roger's right-hand man. Then, once the voyage is over, Roger just goes and returns his right-hand man to Whitebeard.

Wow.

The definition of "right-hand man" in this manga needs to be thrown out the window.
 
By feats Oden is not even close to Gaban.
Gaban hurt and broke throught Imu defense(same Imu casual blocked G5 Luffy attack), his Ap is clearly over Oden one, I didn´t see any feat Oden pulled out that he is above Gaban. Dude doesn´t even pose future sight unlike Gaban...

Gaban by portrayal and feats>Oden.
Roger left hand won´t be weaker than a Samurai from Wano.
Same as Yamato wont end up stronger as Sanji.
Feats are ambiguous in this manga. Hajrudin has better feats against Imu than Roger does, and better feats against Imu than Xebec does.

You can't take the manga's power scaling that seriously anymore. The power scaling has never been this fucked up. The only thing we really have left is the portrayal, where Kaido and Oden absolutely shit on Gaban.

Gaban was afraid of Kaido, while Oden was crazy enough to face Kaido and an entire army with just his nine retainers. Gaban would've run away. I mean, he would've done exactly what he did: he never would've gone to Wano in the first place.

Look at this: Neither Rayleigh nor Gaban. It makes no sense to put a subordinate alongside the Silver or Bronze in the same panel where Gold is featured, but it makes perfect sense for Oda to put Oden there, together with Gold


 
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