Questions & Mysteries Dolfamingo's Huge Bounty reveal bet

What will his Bounty be?

  • 500 million

    Votes: 1 2.9%
  • 1 Billion

    Votes: 2 5.9%
  • 1.5 billion

    Votes: 4 11.8%
  • 2 billion

    Votes: 14 41.2%
  • 2.5 billion

    Votes: 8 23.5%
  • 3 billion

    Votes: 5 14.7%
  • 5 billion :v

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
    34
#41
Well, hopefully Magellan takes care of Doffy during the evacuation, but that doesn't really translate into doing anything in the story. Even a little seastone on him prevents Doffy from doing anything.
The Gorosei wouldn’t even give Magellan permission to evacuate the prisoners, seeing as the whole purpose of the Great Cleansing is to kill everyone in the lower world. The theory relies on Magellan committing high treason
 

Veku

Flamboyant
#42
Doffy’s only beef with the CDs is that he doesn’t get to be one of them, he doesn’t really deserve any catharsis
There’s plenty of characters who should know even more than Doffy does, so we don’t really need him for exposition
Croc, Moria, and Lucci were all pre-TS villains. Kuma had a very clearly unresolved plot
Oda loves foreshawding
And Doffy is LITERALLY the only character we know about being aware of such specific secret, yet you think randomly a another character should reveal that secret instead..

Pre TS villains whose plot has been resolved and which have been defeated, yet Oda brought even Lucci back...l

It's fine to speculate that Doffy doesn't come back, but you disregard any possibility, despite the fact his plot hasn't been resolved and we have examples of characters who have been fully explored, yet Oda still brought them back.

simply admit you don't want him to re-appear, or you simply keep baiting out of boredom and move on.
 
#44
Oda loves foreshawding
And Doffy is LITERALLY the only character we know about being aware of such specific secret, yet you think randomly a another character should reveal that secret instead..

Pre TS villains whose plot has been resolved and which have been defeated, yet Oda brought even Lucci back...l

It's fine to speculate that Doffy doesn't come back, but you disregard any possibility, despite the fact his plot hasn't been resolved and we have examples of characters who have been fully explored, yet Oda still brought them back.

simply admit you don't want him to re-appear, or you simply keep baiting out of boredom and move on.
Anyone who knows the true history probably knows what the national treasure is. Who would Doffy even reveal that secret to? The SHs?

Doffy’s “unresolved” plot with the CDs doesn’t really deserve a resolution because he’s just as evil as them (arguably even more so), so he isn’t really entitled to getting his getback.

Doffy can reappear in the story, but if he does, it’ll blatantly be for cheap fanservice rather than him actually being an important player in the endgame
 
#45
Doffy’s only beef with the CDs is that he doesn’t get to be one of them, he doesn’t really deserve any catharsis
There’s plenty of characters who should know even more than Doffy does, so we don’t really need him for exposition
Croc, Moria, and Lucci were all pre-TS villains. Kuma had a very clearly unresolved plot
also what would the treasure of mariejois realistically be if not the grimoire imu possesses?
everyone and their mother knows about that grimoire now since they saw imunko use it in elbaf lol
 
#46
Oda loves foreshawding
And Doffy is LITERALLY the only character we know about being aware of such specific secret, yet you think randomly a another character should reveal that secret instead..

Pre TS villains whose plot has been resolved and which have been defeated, yet Oda brought even Lucci back...l

It's fine to speculate that Doffy doesn't come back, but you disregard any possibility, despite the fact his plot hasn't been resolved and we have examples of characters who have been fully explored, yet Oda still brought them back.

simply admit you don't want him to re-appear, or you simply keep baiting out of boredom and move on.
I do think Doffy knowing about Imu's secret was a big deal at the time Doffy found out about it in universe, and in the story(like Dressrosa), but we're moving into the point of the story that people will know about Imu. We don't know exactly what the treasure of Mariejois is yet, but since Luffy is destined to fight him again and find out everything on Laughtale, it can be covered in the final war/Mariejois arc. Luffy isn't going to want Doffy to tell it to him the same way Luffy doesn't want Rayleigh to tell him if the OP is even real.

Besides Crocodile and Buggy, all the pre TS villains who returned to the story were never imprisoned(though Buggy wasn't imprisoned after losing to Luffy, it was in some cover story), Oda chose to have Lucci escape w7 and a cover story about him, while Moria escaping was made clear at the end of MF. Tbh, some of those cases don't even really make sense to me. Moria legitimately hasn't done anything important since, so I wouldn't be shocked if those guys aren't being kept around to be hypetooled in some way(yes, this includes Crocodile, btw). I guess it depends on if you believe that Luffy will do another Impel Down breakout, but that feels redundant, and Luffy has way stronger allies now.

Ironically, if Oda wanted to bring back a bunch of villains to be generic Luffy allies, it would be like, King,Queen, Katakuri etc. Technically they're all as "evil" as Doffy, but since they're just henchman, Oda doesn't take it as seriously, and it's not clear they were ever imprisoned(I know some people think King and Queen were captured by GB, but I don't think so)
 
#47
I do think Doffy knowing about Imu's secret was a big deal at the time Doffy found out about it in universe, and in the story(like Dressrosa), but we're moving into the point of the story that people will know about Imu. We don't know exactly what the treasure of Mariejois is yet, but since Luffy is destined to fight him again and find out everything on Laughtale, it can be covered in the final war/Mariejois arc. Luffy isn't going to want Doffy to tell it to him the same way Luffy doesn't want Rayleigh to tell him if the OP is even real.

Besides Crocodile and Buggy, all the pre TS villains who returned to the story were never imprisoned(though Buggy wasn't imprisoned after losing to Luffy, it was in some cover story), Oda chose to have Lucci escape w7 and a cover story about him, while Moria escaping was made clear at the end of MF. Tbh, some of those cases don't even really make sense to me. Moria legitimately hasn't done anything important since, so I wouldn't be shocked if those guys aren't being kept around to be hypetooled in some way(yes, this includes Crocodile, btw). I guess it depends on if you believe that Luffy will do another Impel Down breakout, but that feels redundant, and Luffy has way stronger allies now.

Ironically, if Oda wanted to bring back a bunch of villains to be generic Luffy allies, it would be like, King,Queen, Katakuri etc. Technically they're all as "evil" as Doffy, but since they're just henchman, Oda doesn't take it as seriously, and it's not clear they were ever imprisoned(I know some people think King and Queen were captured by GB, but I don't think so)
I’m pretty sure the national treasure is just Uranus, since Lulusia practically confirmed that Imu has it
 

Veku

Flamboyant
#48
Anyone who knows the true history probably knows what the national treasure is. Who would Doffy even reveal that secret to? The SHs?

Doffy’s “unresolved” plot with the CDs doesn’t really deserve a resolution because he’s just as evil as them (arguably even more so), so he isn’t really entitled to getting his getback.

Doffy can reappear in the story, but if he does, it’ll blatantly be for cheap fanservice rather than him actually being an important player in the endgame
The world via Broadcast would be my guess, but could be anyone really, revo's, crossguild, or some relevant group.

Oda doesn't care about that, he brought Crocodile Back, despite him having enslaved a nation and almost nuked it on top of it, he made Lucci team up with Luffy etc.
I don't think and hope Doffy won't get redeemed in a sense he is going to end up as good guy, but nothing stops Oda from dedicating him "Moment".

I do think Doffy knowing about Imu's secret was a big deal at the time Doffy found out about it in universe, and in the story(like Dressrosa), but we're moving into the point of the story that people will know about Imu. We don't know exactly what the treasure of Mariejois is yet, but since Luffy is destined to fight him again and find out everything on Laughtale, it can be covered in the final war/Mariejois arc. Luffy isn't going to want Doffy to tell it to him the same way Luffy doesn't want Rayleigh to tell him if the OP is even real.

Besides Crocodile and Buggy, all the pre TS villains who returned to the story were never imprisoned(though Buggy wasn't imprisoned after losing to Luffy, it was in some cover story), Oda chose to have Lucci escape w7 and a cover story about him, while Moria escaping was made clear at the end of MF. Tbh, some of those cases don't even really make sense to me. Moria legitimately hasn't done anything important since, so I wouldn't be shocked if those guys aren't being kept around to be hypetooled in some way(yes, this includes Crocodile, btw). I guess it depends on if you believe that Luffy will do another Impel Down breakout, but that feels redundant, and Luffy has way stronger allies now.

Ironically, if Oda wanted to bring back a bunch of villains to be generic Luffy allies, it would be like, King,Queen, Katakuri etc. Technically they're all as "evil" as Doffy, but since they're just henchman, Oda doesn't take it as seriously, and it's not clear they were ever imprisoned(I know some people think King and Queen were captured by GB, but I don't think so)
With Imu's identity revealed, the world slowly sinking and the WG trying to do another cleansing, odds are good, the world will be in absolute chaos and most major characters or factions will have a reason to oppose the WG.
Impel Down won't be the exception, Oda already layed the groundwork and with Mr.2 hiding in Level 5.5, Crossguild in play, revo's in Play etc etc, Oda has enough room for a break out scenario without the Strawhats getting involved..
 
#50
The world via Broadcast would be my guess, but could be anyone really, revo's, crossguild, or some relevant group.

Oda doesn't care about that, he brought Crocodile Back, despite him having enslaved a nation and almost nuked it on top of it, he made Lucci team up with Luffy etc.
I don't think and hope Doffy won't get redeemed in a sense he is going to end up as good guy, but nothing stops Oda from dedicating him "Moment".


With Imu's identity revealed, the world slowly sinking and the WG trying to do another cleansing, odds are good, the world will be in absolute chaos and most major characters or factions will have a reason to oppose the WG.
Impel Down won't be the exception, Oda already layed the groundwork and with Mr.2 hiding in Level 5.5, Crossguild in play, revo's in Play etc etc, Oda has enough room for a break out scenario without the Strawhats getting involved..
Oda has spent the past decade+ building up all the allies in the new world, I just don't think much would be gained by doing another breakout, which ultimately just makes the character bloat worse, and doesn't actually bring anyone strong enough to fight Imcel or whatever into the picture.

I also really don't think Doffy would ever fit in the RA's, or CG, he's too big of a personality to be just an underling for the likes of Crocodile
 
#53
I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s a 3B increase. The power boost from ACoC is insane.
If King really is with Queen in Impel Down, the chances of Kaidou lifting the entire prison into the air and using those prisoners as cannon fodder for the final war are going to be insane.

Imagine him showing up at the battlefield with Impel Down flying through the air, with King, Doffy, Queen, and Jack by his side.
 
#54
I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s a 3B increase. The power boost from ACoC is insane.
If King really is with Queen in Impel Down, the chances of Kaidou lifting the entire prison into the air and using those prisoners as cannon fodder for the final war are going to be insane.

Imagine him showing up at the battlefield with Impel Down flying through the air, with King, Doffy, Queen, and Jack by his side.
@Shiroyru @Veku
This is the level of delusion Doffy bros are unironically on. They don't actually get how Oda would realistically write the story
 
#55
Roger was Executed 24 Years Ago, Crocodile was 22 at the time,
Oda said in SBS that Crocodile became a Warlord in his "Early" Twenties,
That means his Bounty was Frozen possibly same year as Roger's Execution or 1-2 Years Later at most,
He was probably among First Warlords, if not the First.

Doflamingo joined Warlords 10 years ago, He was in his early 30s.
Also, according to Oda, Crocodile started as Promising Rookie similar to Luffy, while Doflamingo already started his Evil Journey at Age 10.

Becoming warlord aint the same as having 2 years as pirate.
 
#57
That's a very interesting bet. My take is ~2B, with a range between a 1.5B minimum and a 2.2B maximum.

Boa received a 1.659B bounty primarily for her raw individual strength and little empire. Dofla is incredibly strong, and his explicit knowledge of the National treasure makes him a massive liability to the WG. That secret alone guarantees he clears the 1.5B floor.

On the other hand, I don't see Oda giving Dofla an higher bounty than post-timeskip Teach, who had been an Emperor for over a year at that point. BB's initial Emperor bounty was 2.247B. Giving Doflamingo a higher bounty than an established yonko who holds two of the world's most destructive DFs and Is a Davy D. just isn't likely. He has to stay under that 2.247B ceiling imho.

Because of this, I think a number right around 2B is the most likely. It could push near 2.2B, but as I said, definitely not above BB.

I really doubt that having intel of the WG increases his bounty. I mean... You wont give a character a high bounty for knowing a secret.... Otherwise people will start tl question what secret and eventually discover it.

The bounty is mainly given from the marines and public knowledge.
 
#59
Thats what I mean. Look at Buggy, many years as pirate, since kid and poor bounty when we first met him.

We dont know how much time he has been pirate.

But why does it matter?
Because Sanjikun is trying to make a point about frozen bounties which is dumb since we know Doffy was an active pirate for decades prior to his bounty being frozen unlike Croc who canonically had his bounty frozen “early on”
 
#60
Because Sanjikun is trying to make a point about frozen bounties which is dumb since we know Doffy was an active pirate for decades prior to his bounty being frozen unlike Croc who canonically had his bounty frozen “early on”
i honestly think that people care too much about bounties
even if they were the same age when they got those bounties it doesn't confirm that doffy > croc, there's multiple examples of someone having a higher bounty than a person stronger than them (i.e shanks and mihawk, kidd and loki)
 
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